Some journalist filed the freedom of information shit to get the video released. Judge just okay'd it. That's why it's being released.

sleeper;1765695 wrote:The video is damning and the cop is probably going to jail forever; however using the "he was shot x times" is irrelevant.

I think it's relevant. I fail to see how shooting someone 16 times is ever necessary. It's obsessive.

SportsAndLady;1765773 wrote:I think it's relevant. I fail to see how shooting someone 16 times is ever necessary. It's obsessive.

How many times is necessary?

sleeper;1765775 wrote:How many times is necessary?

Well, hopefully once. 16? He's a dude on PCP, not the flippin Terminator.

raiderbuck;1765779 wrote:Well, hopefully once. 16? He's a dude on PCP, not the flippin Terminator.

Or you shoot to stop the threat and don't worry about bullet counts. That's how reality works.

Really stupid to keep shooting and also just as stupid to walk down the street with a knife and disobey the cops

sleeper;1765784 wrote:Or you shoot to stop the threat and don't worry about bullet counts. That's how reality works.

Yea...maybe this cop should have worried about the bullet count

raiderbuck;1765793 wrote:Yea...maybe this cop should have worried about the bullet count

if one fatal shot is justified then 16 is also?

If the people of chicago want their cops to carry single shot weapons then pass an ordinance on it

raiderbuck;1765793 wrote:Yea...maybe this cop should have worried about the bullet count

If he shot him once and he died, would that make you feel better?

That was my point as well. 16 is excessive, but has nothing to do with a murder charge. 1 shot or 16, it's either a good kill or it's not.

The video wasn't as bad as I was expecting, probably due to not being able to hear. Not nearly as bad as the sc shooting.


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It works in self defense cases. A few shots self defense. Double digit shots probably not

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What if the first shot is justified but non-lethal, and the fatal shot comes when the victim is on the ground and no longer posing any kind of imminent threat?

I don't know self defense laws in Illinois and I haven't watched the video, but as a general comment it seems like shot count could definitely be relevant.

I still don't think number of rounds matters to a murder charge if it somehow would be called a "good shoot". I don't see that happening though and he will probably be charged with murder because the guy only had a knife and wasn't running at him or anything.

If someone can get shot and killed with one bullet and it be ok, how does more bullets change that? He was still ok to be killed but you used too many shots?

sleeper;1765799 wrote:If he shot him once and he died, would that make you feel better?

In this situation? Yea. I think one shot would have helped this cop's case. But 16 shots is a bit much. I don't really think there's any justification for that (for a case like this).

serious question,

Did the cop have a 16 bullet clip in his firearm? or did he reload?

raiderbuck;1765868 wrote:In this situation? Yea. I think one shot would have helped this cop's case. But 16 shots is a bit much. I don't really think there's any justification for that (for a case like this).

16 is only a bit much because the ignorant public doesn't know anything.

Congrats on being hoodwinked by sensationalist media.

sleeper;1765894 wrote:16 is only a bit much because the ignorant public doesn't know anything.

Congrats on being hoodwinked by sensationalist media.

Was not aware sensationalist media could bring murder charges.

Mulva;1765897 wrote:Was not aware sensationalist media could bring murder charges.

You must have forgotten about the Trayvon Martin case.

sleeper;1765894 wrote:16 is only a bit much because the ignorant public doesn't know anything.

Congrats on being hoodwinked by sensationalist media.

Lol. Are you serious?

99% of the time I'm on the cops side on these things.

This time, I can't get on the side of someone who shoots someone 16 times.

I don't think a guy laying on the ground with multiple gunshot wounds is a threat justifying more shots....ESPECIALLY when his weapon is only something like a knife.

But more than a few cops seem to do this, so either it's being taught or something that happens in the heat of the moment. You can't really train self-control in a situation like that without practicing, well, actually shooting someone.

SportsAndLady;1765899 wrote:Lol. Are you serious?

99% of the time I'm on the cops side on these things.

This time, I can't get on the side of someone who shoots someone 16 times.

I'm not on the cops side. The video is pretty damning but the amount of shots is irrelevant.

raiderbuck;1765779 wrote:Well, hopefully once. 16? He's a dude on PCP, not the flippin Terminator.

which is even more reason why one bullet wouldn't have any effect. you clearly know nothing about PCP.

gut;1765905 wrote:I don't think a guy laying on the ground with multiple gunshot wounds is a threat justifying more shots....ESPECIALLY when his weapon is only something like a knife.

But more than a few cops seem to do this, so either it's being taught or something that happens in the heat of the moment. You can't really train self-control in a situation like that without practicing, well, actually shooting someone.

I am not sure how many of the shots were actually on the ground, but it definitely is related to the high stress/heat of the moment. I am sure you can find the studies, but there is definitely a delay from the time it takes to make the conscious decision to start/stop shooting and when you actually pull the trigger. Plus add in the high stress of the situation and the delay can probably be longer.

Its also actually pretty easy to shoot off a full magazine in a few seconds. Police are moving away from single or double shots during training. the problem is, in these high stress situations, cops fall back on their training and only fire one or two shots, when more were needed. they get used to shooting on a range with no real threat. back when cops used revolvers, they found situations where after a shootout, the cops would have the spent brass in their pockets instead of just letting them fall to the ground and reloading quicker. they fell back to their training when at the shooting range, the cops would collect their brass to make for easier clean up.

Juicebox;1765877 wrote:serious question,

Did the cop have a 16 bullet clip in his firearm? or did he reload?

assuming its a Glock, I believe they are 15+1.

sleeper;1765910 wrote:I'm not on the cops side. The video is pretty damning but the amount of shots is irrelevant.

Guess I just disagree with you then. I think it's very relevant.