If Manziel is the future QB we need, he's going to win a few games and we won't have the number 1 pick.

HitsRus;1764743 wrote:If Manziel is the future QB we need, he's going to win a few games and we won't have the number 1 pick.

They have 3 winnable games (Niners/Chiefs/Ravens) left on the schedule and I'll be surprised if they win two of those.

Last week Mary Kay Cabot came out with an article 2 days before the Steeler game and said it was time for the Browns to cut ties with Johnny. Then Manziel throws for 372 and plays like God and she shuts her pie hole. Mary Kay proves that women should hang out in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, and stay out of opining on the local football team..

But not to be outdone, Bill Landis in today's PD writes half an encyclopedia on why the Browns should draft local boy Connor Cook in the first round next year. LOL. Connor Cook? The guy, who in four years has completed less than 57% of his passes>? With 19 picks? That Connor Cook? Hey Bill, the guy playing quarterback for the Browns completed 69% of his passes in college...in the SEC...and won the Heisman as a 19 year old kid.

Let me repeat from last year's threads... A quarterback that has higher stats in college, 100% of the time, has a better chance of succeeding at the next level. Before Bunghole, Shemp and fatboy chime in and clamor "Ryan Leif, Ryan Leif"...let me give another example. If a guy hits 320 for 2 years in triple A, and another guy hits 270 in triple A, the guy who hits 320 has a better chance in the majors 100% of the time.

But yeah baby!....let's draft the kid who sucks in college because he's tall. LMAO.
And then, like clockwork, The Rizzo show was playing "Fact or Fiction". The statement was "Johnny will be the starter in next year's opener". 3 out of 4, including Jizzo said fiction...no way. LOLOL. Not only will Johnny be the starter next near, but he will be the starter here for the next decade, unless Haslam says fuck these idiots in Cleveland and moves the team to Los Angeles. If he does, I wouldn't blame him one bit. Unlike in 95 when the wretched Art Modell did his thing, if they moved the team now I would completely understand the whys and really wouldn't give 2 shits.

Footwedge;1764755 wrote:let me give another example. If a guy hits 320 for 2 years in triple A, and another guy hits 270 in triple A, the guy who hits 320 has a better chance in the majors 100% of the time.

This might be the worst and least accurate "example" anyone has ever given on this site, as anyone who follows MiLB baseball to any degree would easily know.

Footwedge;1764755 wrote:
Let me repeat from last year's threads... A quarterback that has higher stats in college, 100% of the time, has a better chance of succeeding at the next level. Before Bunghole, Shemp and fatboy chime in and clamor "Ryan Leif, Ryan Leif"...let me give another example. If a guy hits 320 for 2 years in triple A, and another guy hits 270 in triple A, the guy who hits 320 has a better chance in the majors 100% of the time.

Tell me more about how Timmy Chang is wrecking the NFL, while that college scrub Tom Brady is off coaching biddy league football.

Footwedge;1764755 wrote:"Ryan Leif, Ryan Leif"...

Well, now we all know you shit the bed in math AND spelling.

Sorry for the long reply…

Footwedge;1764755 wrote: Then Manziel throws for 372 and plays like God and she shuts her pie hole.

Footwedge;1764755 wrote: Mary Kay proves that women should hang out in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, and stay out of opining on the local football team..

Footwedge;1764755 wrote: Let me repeat from last year's threads... A quarterback that has higher stats in college, 100% of the time, has a better chance of succeeding at the next level.

Footwedge;1764755 wrote: Before Bunghole, Shemp and fatboy chime in and clamor "Ryan Leif, Ryan Leif"...let me give another example. If a guy hits 320 for 2 years in triple A, and another guy hits 270 in triple A, the guy who hits 320 has a better chance in the majors 100% of the time.

Footwedge;1764755 wrote: Not only will Johnny be the starter next near, but he will be the starter here for the next decade, unless Haslam says fuck these idiots in Cleveland and moves the team to Los Angeles. If he does, I wouldn't blame him one bit.

Seriously, this is the single dumbest thing you've ever posted here. And this is you we're talking about here, so there is some competition when I say dumbest.

Footwedge I don't need to chime in with anything. Your utter stupidity speaks for itself.


I say this from time to time but it bears repeating: for their sake I hope you don't have kids because you're too stupid of a human being to impart necessary wisdom and life lessons onto your offspring.

j_crazy;1764766 wrote:Sorry for the long reply…
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It was perfect. Reps

HighRoller74;1764762 wrote:Tell me more about how Timmy Chang is wrecking the NFL, while that college scrub Tom Brady is off coaching biddy league football.

I still can't get over the paragraph you quoted. It might the most stupid thing anyone has ever said, especially when you break it down: "A quarterback that has higher stats in college, 100% of the time, has a better chance at the next level. And before anyone mentions that time when it didn't happen like that, well, it's also true in baseball!"

Uh, dude, 100% means every single time. If Ryan Leaf is an example of it not happening, you don't have 100%. And that's not even getting into the utter stupidity of the baseball comparison.

BR1986FB;1764745 wrote:They have 3 winnable games (Niners/Chiefs/Ravens) left on the schedule and I'll be surprised if they win two of those.

I don't expect them to win all 3....but if they do, count me in favor of JFF. Really, winning two would be enough for me, just because our defense sucks so bad, that's a lot for a "rookie" QB to overcome.

HitsRus;1764774 wrote:I don't expect them to win all 3....but if they do, count me in favor of JFF. Really, winning two would be enough for me, just because our defense sucks so bad, that's a lot for a "rookie" QB to overcome.

Let me rephrase it. I'll be surprised if they win one.

5 people including footwedge have posted since I posed the question....

"what are the standards of performance Manziel needs to hit that would make you feel that the Browns would not have to spend a first round pick on a starting quarterback in the draft next year?"

...and nobody except me and BR have had the guts to put it out there. What's it going to take to get you on the JFF bandwagon...or in FW's case... how bad does he have to be in the last 6 games of the season for you to get off his bandwagon.

HitsRus;1764780 wrote:5 people including footwedge have posted since I posed the question....


...and nobody except me and BR have had the guts to put it out there. .

lol'd at your choice of verbiage (guts) but I don't think there's a bright line answer to your query. Quarterbacking isn't just stats nor is it just performance. Evaluating whether your quarterback requires replacing or not, especially at the cost of a 1st rounder, is a lot more nuanced than any particular metric can capture.

for that reason, I don't like the question because there cannot be a clear, specific answer. My answer is: showing like he can be a successful NFL quarterback. See how clear that answer is?

lhslep134;1764783 wrote:lol'd at your choice of verbiage (guts) but I don't think there's a bright line answer to your query. Quarterbacking isn't just stats nor is it just performance. Evaluating whether your quarterback requires replacing or not, especially at the cost of a 1st rounder, is a lot more nuanced than any particular metric can capture.

for that reason, I don't like the question because there cannot be a clear, specific answer. My answer is: showing like he can be a successful NFL quarterback. See how clear that answer is?

This. There really isn't measured stats or wins for that matter that you can point to and call it acceptable. To me he just needs to show improvement from week to week and put the team in position to win games.

I'm in the camp that unless the new FO is completely sold on one of the top QBs in the draft that they should give
Johnny the full year next season (barring a total shit show the rest of this year or him falling off the wagon) and draft the the best player available.

Heretic;1764773 wrote:I still can't get over the paragraph you quoted. It might the most stupid thing anyone has ever said, especially when you break it down: "A quarterback that has higher stats in college, 100% of the time, has a better chance at the next level. And before anyone mentions that time when it didn't happen like that, well, it's also true in baseball!"

Uh, dude, 100% means every single time. If Ryan Leaf is an example of it not happening, you don't have 100%. And that's not even getting into the utter stupidity of the baseball comparison.

Dude..you are very, very dim...and you fell for it...SHOCKER!. Again...once again...if your numbers are better at one level...then 100% of the time you have a better chance of being successful at the next level. It's not my rule, but the law of mathematics. Just because you have a better chance to be successful at the next level...does not mean you will be. It's really not that complicated Lunatic.

Maybe this will help. In a game of craps, one has a 1 in 36 chance of rolling snake eyes. One has a 1 in 6 chance of rolling a 7. Why? because there are 6 combos of the dice that yield 7. SOOOOOO. In 100% of the time...the odds are 6 to 1 better of getting a 7 versus a 2. If someone rolls snake eyes...It doesn't change the fact that the odds will always be 6-1 better (100% of the time) in rolling a 7. You are as dumb as a pile of railroad stones.

HitsRus;1764780 wrote:5 people including footwedge have posted since I posed the question....


...and nobody except me and BR have had the guts to put it out there. What's it going to take to get you on the JFF bandwagon...or in FW's case... how bad does he have to be in the last 6 games of the season for you to get off his bandwagon.

Hits, you know as well as anybody that the number of games won with Manziel starting is a function of how the rest of the team performs. I know Johnny will be very good, but he can't control the other aspects of the game. What I do know is that Manziel gives the team the best chance to win. He has proven that with his play this season.

HitsRus;1764780 wrote:5 people including footwedge have posted since I posed the question....


...and nobody except me and BR have had the guts to put it out there. What's it going to take to get you on the JFF bandwagon...or in FW's case... how bad does he have to be in the last 6 games of the season for you to get off his bandwagon.

I'm not a Browns fan, so I don't expect my words to carry much weight, but here is what I would want to see if he was supposed to be the Dolphins "QB of the future":

1. Must win 2 of the divisional games left. This is where your season lives and dies every year, you have to be able to prove that you can knock off your division opponents. All 3 of them are at home too.
2. Must win against the 49ers. This is a home game against a bad team who is traveling east to play you at 10am their time. You got to win this game.
3. Must be competitive against the Chiefs and Seahawks. These are road games against tough opponents, don't expect to win either, but can't live with a blowout in both of them.
4. Completions per dropback must be 40% or higher. He's going to get some pressure since the OL is inexplicably porous this year, they don't have a legitimate power run game, so he's going to be asked to do more than he should. But he needs to stay in the pocket and go through his progressions, find the open man and hit them. He can't come off that first read and look to run, the offense isn't set up to run that, and he'll never last if he does it.


Physically he's capable (not sure about durable) enough to be great, I just don't think JFF has the desire to work hard enough to be a great NFL QB because he was such a fucking legend at aTm that he never really moved on from that. In the same breath the Troy Aikman Miller Lite commercial rings true. He dwells in the past and I don't blame him.

Footwedge;1764795 wrote: the number of games won with Manziel starting is a function of how the rest of the team performs.

So, Manziel playing has no influence on whether they win or lose? If that is the case, he isn't the franchise qb.

Footwedge;1764792 wrote:Dude..you are very, very dim...and you fell for it...SHOCKER!. Again...once again...if your numbers are better at one level...then 100% of the time you have a better chance of being successful at the next level. It's not my rule, but the law of mathematics. Just because you have a better chance to be successful at the next level...does not mean you will be. It's really not that complicated Lunatic.

Maybe this will help. In a game of craps, one has a 1 in 36 chance of rolling snake eyes. One has a 1 in 6 chance of rolling a 7. Why? because there are 6 combos of the dice that yield 7. SOOOOOO. In 100% of the time...the odds are 6 to 1 better of getting a 7 versus a 2. If someone rolls snake eyes...It doesn't change the fact that the odds will always be 6-1 better (100% of the time) in rolling a 7. You are as dumb as a pile of railroad stones.

Lol, and you're still wrong. Draft choices are made based on potential more than anything else, a lot of the time. And how a guy is perceived is based on that potential, to the point where what a person did previously is far less of a consideration than what they have the potential to do in the future. There's a reason why, after all these college games where players put up big numbers, the NFL holds their combines, where everyone assesses players, not by their college numbers, but their raw athletic ability.

That's why so many Heisman-winning QBs never amounted to anything in the pros. They were great college players, but lacked a certain something which allowed them to play at that same level against tougher competition. That's why there are minor-league lifers in baseball who put up very good numbers there, but at most, get a cup of coffee in the bigs. They were deemed "too old" for their current MiLB level or got a "minor league lifer" reputation off the bat due to being drafted low.

The guy with the potential may not have had the same low-level success, but due to having good raw athleticism or a body frame that looks like it could become an athletic freak with the proper training, they will get every chance in the world to achieve that potential.

^^^( at Bundy)That's what I'm saying too. Stats aren't enough. He had good stats against Pittsburgh and still lost by 21 points. McCown has good stats too. But he failed in the clutch more than once. you have to put up "W"'s...and a franchise QB is going to pick up his team in a close game. That's why I want to see a couple of wins, at least, against the weak teams left on the schedule

HitsRus;1764802 wrote:^^^( at Bundy)That's what I'm saying too. Stats aren't enough. He had good stats against Pittsburgh and still lost by 21 points. McCown has good stats too. But he failed in the clutch more than once. you have to put up "W"'s...and a franchise QB is going to pick up his team in a close game. That's why I want to see a couple of wins, at least, against the weak teams left on the schedule

One thing he has to show that isn't measured by a stat is leadership. He hasn't demonstrated that at all and his actions off the field show a very selfish attitude. He needs to show that he can make others around him better. As far as stats, he needs to quit turning the ball over. He has many turnovers in his limited time playing. He needs to show improvement in reading a defense and making a quick decision about where to throw the ball.

Footwedge;1764792 wrote:Dude..you are very, very dim.

You have no right to call anyone dim until you look in the mirror and realize how fucking dumb you are yourself.


If the OC can be considered a place of interactions, you are very high up on the list of the dumbest people I have ever interacted with. Considering that part of job is doing bankruptcy law, I deal with stupid people often. For you to distinguish yourself as dumber than they are is a real accomplishment. Congrats.

lhslep134;1764819 wrote:You have no right to call anyone dim until you look in the mirror and realize how fucking dumb you are yourself.


If the OC can be considered a place of interactions, you are very high up on the list of the dumbest people I have ever interacted with. Considering that part of job is doing bankruptcy law, I deal with stupid people often. For you to distinguish yourself as dumber than they are is a real accomplishment. Congrats.

A sad, sad commentary that someone like you...who doesn't understand very simple mathematical axioms...works on bankruptcies. Irony anyone? Irony? Your generation doesn't know what a slide rule is. When my generation was in school, calculators were banned during tests and in your generation, they are mandatory for taking tests. Doing a long division math problem would take you a week without your hand held device. Is it any wonder that other countries are kicking our economic ass?

An update on the Cleveland Johnny hater brigade showed the Bull and the Fox wasting 2 hours of their show complaining about Manziel leaving town during the bye week. First of all, I think the whole team should stay and do 3 a days. But what Bull and Fox don't tell people is that it's against the league collective bargaining agreement to work over a certain number of hours during bye week. But Johnny haters are gonna spew..it's what they do.

But...if they could pick and choose some players to have remedial work, it would be the low producers...and that would be the entire defense, the o-line and the running backs....and not Manziel who played like God.