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isadore

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Con_Alma;1757983 wrote:That is indeed how it reads and it's very good news. At least we will all stay armed and that is the goal.
if you fit the rules established by Congress and follow the President's orders and you are the right age.
Oct 20, 2015 8:26am
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Con_Alma

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18-54 covers most all able bodied males. The President's orders only come into play when he is in need of additional force and gains the permission of congress to take charge of militia's. Grab our muskets! Away we go!
Oct 20, 2015 8:51am
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Con_Alma

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isadore;1757992 wrote:...the 2nd Amendment bill be removed by legal means.
...but hasn't as of yet. Maybe some day but not today.
Oct 20, 2015 8:53am
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isadore

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Con_Alma;1757998 wrote:18-54 covers most all able bodied males. The President's orders only come into play when he is in need of additional force and gains the permission of congress to take charge of militia's. Grab our muskets! Away we go!
gosh a ruddies a number established by government regulation
Oct 20, 2015 9:21am
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isadore

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Con_Alma;1758000 wrote:...but hasn't as of yet. Maybe some day but not today.
gosh a ruddies a hope for the future as we reach a higher level of civilization.
Oct 20, 2015 9:23am
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Con_Alma

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isadore;1758005 wrote:gosh a ruddies a number established by government regulation
Yes indeed...a number still in place today and one which enables us to bear arms.
Oct 20, 2015 9:54am
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Con_Alma

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isadore;1758007 wrote:gosh a ruddies a hope for the future as we reach a higher level of civilization.
"Hope" away but that's not where we are at and that was the point of discussion....what is.
Oct 20, 2015 9:55am
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isadore

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Con_Alma;1758011 wrote:"Hope" away but that's not where we are at and that was the point of discussion....what is.
gosh a ruddies that is what many were saying just before Emancipation Proclamation, 19th Amendment, US Declaration of Independence.
Oct 20, 2015 11:42am
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isadore

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Con_Alma;1758010 wrote:Yes indeed...a number still in place today and one which enables us to bear arms.
gosh a ruddies you are right, you bear arms because of the permission of the government.
Oct 20, 2015 11:43am
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Al Bundy

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isadore;1758039 wrote:gosh a ruddies you are right, you bear arms because of the permission of the government.
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Every person has a right to bear arms, and our founding fathers saw that it was needed for people to best protect themselves. If you look at places in the United States where this right has been restricted, you will see highest violent crime rates.
Oct 20, 2015 11:57am
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Con_Alma

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isadore;1758038 wrote:gosh a ruddies that is what many were saying just before Emancipation Proclamation, 19th Amendment, US Declaration of Independence.
...and until such time as we have yet another proclamation or amendment we will continue to say it. Keep hoping.
Oct 20, 2015 12:33pm
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Con_Alma

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isadore;1758039 wrote:gosh a ruddies you are right, you bear arms because of the permission of the government.
People had firearms before the government acknowledged such and they continue to have them today and they will continue to have them in the future. The actions of the government is not what put firearms in the people's possession.
Oct 20, 2015 12:34pm
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isadore

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Al Bundy;1758042 wrote:"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Every person has a right to bear arms, and our founding fathers saw that it was needed for people to best protect themselves. If you look at places in the United States where this right has been restricted, you will see highest violent crime rates.
gosh a ruddies do all you gun nuts ignore context. There is another part of the 2nd Amendment. "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of the free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." And according to the Constitution why do we have this militia: to repel foreign invasion, enforce federal law and put down internal insurrections. And who has the power to regulate it, set its rules, decide who belongs-The United States government. And who can infringe on or abolish the 2nd Amendment, the Congress, National Convention, State Legislatures and state conventions.
Oct 20, 2015 12:37pm
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isadore

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Con_Alma;1758063 wrote:People had firearms before the government acknowledged such and they continue to have them today and they will continue to have them in the future. The actions of the government is not what put firearms in the people's possession.
gosh a ruddies
people had indentured servants and slaves before government acknowledged it then the government abolished those things. People used to bear bait then government abolished it.
Oct 20, 2015 12:39pm
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isadore

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Con_Alma;1758062 wrote:...and until such time as we have yet another proclamation or amendment we will continue to say it. Keep hoping.
gosh a ruddies, hope springs eternal.
Oct 20, 2015 12:40pm
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Con_Alma

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isadore;1758065 wrote:gosh a ruddies
people had indentured servants and slaves before government acknowledged it then the government abolished those things. People used to bear bait then government abolished it.
...and yet none of those are similar to guns but I appreciate your effort. At this time next year the people on this board who own guns will still have them.

Maybe then you should abolish guns and see if they are removed from our society. My bet is the result will be the same as convicted felons being restricted from having and using guns...they still do.

Gun issues in our country won't ever be solved by legislation. They are cultural issues and if we truly wish to de-emphasize guns and their use it's going to take some time. We may be on that path now.
Oct 20, 2015 12:45pm
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Con_Alma

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isadore;1758066 wrote:gosh a ruddies, hope springs eternal.
Maybe someday your hopes will be realized...not today.
Oct 20, 2015 12:46pm
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isadore

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Con_Alma;1758069 wrote:Maybe someday your hopes will be realized...not today.
hoping for the Triumph of our better angels ending the 2nd Amendment
Oct 20, 2015 1:02pm
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isadore

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Con_Alma;1758068 wrote:...and yet none of those are similar to guns but I appreciate your effort. At this time next year the people on this board who own guns will still have them.

Maybe then you should abolish guns and see if they are removed from our society. My bet is the result will be the same as convicted felons being restricted from having and using guns...they still do.

Gun issues in our country won't ever be solved by legislation. They are cultural issues and if we truly wish to de-emphasize guns and their use it's going to take some time. We may be on that path now.
gosh a ruddies as lead based paint was by law removed from American homes, so will guns.
Oct 20, 2015 1:14pm
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Al Bundy

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isadore;1758079 wrote:gosh a ruddies as lead based paint was by law removed from American homes, so will guns.
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Oct 20, 2015 3:33pm
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isadore

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Al Bundy;1758105 wrote:"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
gosh a ruddies, where is the stuff about a well regulated militia,
Oct 20, 2015 4:13pm
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Al Bundy

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isadore;1758123 wrote:gosh a ruddies, where is the stuff about a well regulated militia,
We still have that right, but we also have the right to keep and bear arms.
Oct 20, 2015 4:24pm
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Belly35

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"From my cold dead hands will they have to remove my weapon" right after they remove those dead who tried
Oct 20, 2015 4:46pm
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isadore

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Al Bundy;1758125 wrote:We still have that right, but we also have the right to keep and bear arms.
gosh a ruddies, no, they allowed people to have arms in order to form a well regulated militia to repel foreign invasion, enforce federal laws and suppress domestic insurrection. read the Constitution sometime.
Oct 20, 2015 5:07pm
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isadore

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Belly35;1758127 wrote:"From my cold dead hands will they have to remove my weapon" right after they remove those dead who tried
Oct 20, 2015 5:16pm