Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Sep 28, 2015 2:43pm
You can always contend with a great QB. You can still survive key injuries and inconsistency if your QB is always on top of everything.
Building a team around an elite D and depth takes time. The Bengals are doing it right now, but even then, that plan can be derailed by injuries at any time.
It's much easier said than done to build either. Finding an elite, elite QB is difficult, but building a dominant and deep defense takes more than a year. It has to be an organizational change from the ground up. The Browns have messed up so many draft picks in the last 5 years outside of not finding an elite QB.
Building a team around an elite D and depth takes time. The Bengals are doing it right now, but even then, that plan can be derailed by injuries at any time.
It's much easier said than done to build either. Finding an elite, elite QB is difficult, but building a dominant and deep defense takes more than a year. It has to be an organizational change from the ground up. The Browns have messed up so many draft picks in the last 5 years outside of not finding an elite QB.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Sep 28, 2015 3:00pm
You've already proven to be incorrect this, as many posters have pointed out. Can't judge Shelton pick 3 games into his rookie season, even a dipshit like yourself should know that.sleeper;1753724 wrote:But one of the teams with the top 3 passing attack will win and zero of the top 3 running attacks. My logic is solid. You just want a platform for your 1970's style of football that hasn't worked in 40 years and it will continue to not work until there is some strategic shift in play style.
How'd that Shelton pick work out for you? Hopefully that egg isn't too big on your face because you were all in on that pick and it hasn't paid off at all.
Shelton has been inconsistent, I've seen flashed he needs to become more consistent.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Sep 28, 2015 3:06pm
Shelton's MO in college was to beat up on bad teams and disappear when it counted most.
In the NFL even the "bad teams" have good players, so his disappearing the first 3 games and having exactly zero impact on the run game is entirely consistent with his career up to this point.
He would have been there when we picked at 18. No one was lusting after him like the Browns were, which given our track record of 1st round picks under Ray Farmer explains why it should be no surprise he is failing.
In the NFL even the "bad teams" have good players, so his disappearing the first 3 games and having exactly zero impact on the run game is entirely consistent with his career up to this point.
He would have been there when we picked at 18. No one was lusting after him like the Browns were, which given our track record of 1st round picks under Ray Farmer explains why it should be no surprise he is failing.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 28, 2015 3:12pm
The chance of IQQY having actually watched a single snap of Shelton at UW is 0%.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 28, 2015 3:16pm
Yeah that's a poor excuse. He either sucks or his position doesn't matter. Pick.Commander of Awesome;1753735 wrote:You've already proven to be incorrect this, as many posters have pointed out. Can't judge Shelton pick 3 games into his rookie season, even a dipshit like yourself should know that.
Shelton has been inconsistent, I've seen flashed he needs to become more consistent.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Sep 28, 2015 3:16pm
The Seahawks nearly went back to back Superbowls with a top running game and bottom half of the league passing game.sleeper;1753724 wrote:But one of the teams with the top 3 passing attack will win and zero of the top 3 running attacks. My logic is solid. You just want a platform for your 1970's style of football that hasn't worked in 40 years and it will continue to not work until there is some strategic shift in play style.
How'd that Shelton pick work out for you? Hopefully that egg isn't too big on your face because you were all in on that pick and it hasn't paid off at all.
That was the last 2 years.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Sep 28, 2015 3:18pm
I told you he was a bum when we drafted him and so far he has been a bum that has had zero impact.lhslep134;1753737 wrote:The chance of IQQY having actually watched a single snap of Shelton at UW is 0%.
Key lesson here? Listen to Iggy.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Sep 28, 2015 3:20pm
What's scary is that this statement probably makes sense in your head.sleeper;1753739 wrote:Yeah that's a poor excuse. He either sucks or his position doesn't matter. Pick.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 28, 2015 3:27pm
Unless he's trollingCommander of Awesome;1753742 wrote:What's scary is that this statement probably makes sense in your head.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 28, 2015 3:38pm
If his position matters and he's good, he would be making an impact. So if his position does not matter and he's good, he will make no impact. If he's bad and his position matters, then he will make no impact.Commander of Awesome;1753742 wrote:What's scary is that this statement probably makes sense in your head.
I could teach a 2 year old that kind of logic.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Sep 28, 2015 4:05pm
But yet you still don't understand that about half of the SBs won over the last 10-15 years have been won by run/defense teams, and half by elite QB/throwing teams.sleeper;1753754 wrote:If his position matters and he's good, he would be making an impact. So if his position does not matter and he's good, he will make no impact. If he's bad and his position matters, then he will make no impact.
I could teach a 2 year old that kind of logic.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 28, 2015 4:07pm
Subjective analysis. And 15 years ago is irrelevant. The Patriots won with an okay defense, no RB, and a top tier passing game. This year, the dominant teams again seem to have an okay defense, no RB, and a top tier passing game. What does this year have to do with the Ravens defense of 15 years ago?jmog;1753760 wrote:But yet you still don't understand that about half of the SBs won over the last 10-15 years have been won by run/defense teams, and half by elite QB/throwing teams.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 28, 2015 4:07pm
And they are now regressing to the mean.jmog;1753740 wrote:The Seahawks nearly went back to back Superbowls with a top running game and bottom half of the league passing game.
That was the last 2 years.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Sep 28, 2015 5:33pm
I only caught the tail end of these comments by Pettine about players that he felt played well yesterday. Didn't catch the first name but the second?
Danny Shelton
Danny Shelton
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Sep 28, 2015 6:42pm
I heard some of Pettine's press conference and the dude is full blown delusional at this point.
His empty emotionless flatliner bullshit has run it's course. If he can't ever bring himself to get worked up over poor play the players sure as hell won't either.
He blames everyone but himself and his best friend O'Neil for why the defense sucks, and it is old at this point.
O'Neil should have been replaced after last year, and he is even worse this year. I know he is Pettine's boy and all, but putting your job and career on the line for a guy that is most definitely in over his head is pure idiocy.
The big take away from today is Pettine might be the most stubborn coach we have ever had in the history of this city, and nothing is going to change as long as he is employed no matter how bad things get.
His empty emotionless flatliner bullshit has run it's course. If he can't ever bring himself to get worked up over poor play the players sure as hell won't either.
He blames everyone but himself and his best friend O'Neil for why the defense sucks, and it is old at this point.
O'Neil should have been replaced after last year, and he is even worse this year. I know he is Pettine's boy and all, but putting your job and career on the line for a guy that is most definitely in over his head is pure idiocy.
The big take away from today is Pettine might be the most stubborn coach we have ever had in the history of this city, and nothing is going to change as long as he is employed no matter how bad things get.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Sep 28, 2015 6:44pm
He was giving big time props to Duke and Malcolm Johnson, as well as Tramon Williams from what I heard.BR1986FB;1753774 wrote:I only caught the tail end of these comments by Pettine about players that he felt played well yesterday. Didn't catch the first name but the second?
Danny Shelton
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Sep 28, 2015 6:55pm
sleeper;1753761 wrote:Subjective analysis. And 15 years ago is irrelevant. The Patriots won with an okay defense, no RB, and a top tier passing game. This year, the dominant teams again seem to have an okay defense, no RB, and a top tier passing game. What does this year have to do with the Ravens defense of 15 years ago?
The he only thing subjective is that you keep ignoring facts to suit you or opinion.
Regardless if you are talking 15 years, 10 years, whatever about half of the recent SB winners were based on run/defense with a serviceable QB while the other half were elite QBs.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Sep 28, 2015 7:00pm
Only 10 Raiders on the field on that 3rd and goal from the 1.
Good thing we've poured so many resources into that O-line.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Sep 28, 2015 7:07pm
I have been a huge Pettine supporter. But after today and the press conference, he has me scratching my head like are you really that fucking dumb and arrogant? When JFF fumbled he has to protect it better. McCown fumbles and he says well oline needs to do better. He has an agenda against JFF. And I'm not one to usually think like this
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Sep 28, 2015 7:28pm
I am beginning to think Pettine doesn't understand how to stop the run.
His year in Buffalo they were 28th, year after he left they were 18th, and Rex has them at #2 now.
Cleveland was 18th in Rush defense before Pettine got here, and were then 32 last year and 32 this year.
Things get worse when he arrives, and better when he leaves.
He might just be in way over his head.
His year in Buffalo they were 28th, year after he left they were 18th, and Rex has them at #2 now.
Cleveland was 18th in Rush defense before Pettine got here, and were then 32 last year and 32 this year.
Things get worse when he arrives, and better when he leaves.
He might just be in way over his head.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Sep 28, 2015 11:28pm
Last year means absolutely nothing. His rating this year is 99.7. Yet, the bald headed fuck wants to start Josh McGoof. Pettine will get fired at the end of the season...wait and see.jmog;1753711 wrote:1 game, his career passer rating is 72.4, not exactly stellar.
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Sep 28, 2015 11:35pm
Jff needs to play.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Sep 28, 2015 11:52pm
3 Charger oline starters went down with injuries during the Bolts Vikings game, hope they remain out. We need all the help we can get.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Sep 28, 2015 11:57pm
Why does it mean nothing? Because it doesn't support your argument?Footwedge;1753827 wrote:Last year means absolutely nothing. His rating this year is 99.7. Yet, the bald headed fuck wants to start Josh McGoof. Pettine will get fired at the end of the season...wait and see.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Sep 29, 2015 7:44am
I just look at this team and SMH. How could we have squandered soooo any draft picks?...and how do the people responsible still have jobs. Obviously, everybody misses occasionally, but to miss so many takes real ineptitude.