I avoid cops as much as possible.

Hope this helps.

hasbeen;1742607 wrote:She should shut up and not escalate the situation.

Tucker Max wrote a good blog about the types of police offers: http://tuckermax.me/how-to-deal-with-cops-2/

Tucker Max has a wife and kid? Jesus, talk about blast from the past.

this sandra bland thing is like a chapelle show skit where keeping it real went wrong.

considering she was a "social justice advocate" and her whole purpose she said for going back to texas was "to stop all the social injustice in the south". if her family can claim she was murdered by the police, its just as logical she was trying to be a martyr knowing how it would look.

j_crazy;1742953 wrote:this sandra bland thing is like a chapelle show skit where keeping it real went wrong.

lol'd.

Glory Days;1743027 wrote:considering she was a "social justice advocate" and her whole purpose she said for going back to texas was "to stop all the social injustice in the south". if her family can claim she was murdered by the police, its just as logical she was trying to be a martyr knowing how it would look.

Exactly. Another dead black person at the hands of the media and trash everywhere.

Body cam from the Cinci police officer is pretty disturbing.

Dude is going to jail.

Also, he had a body cam and still shot him. Shocking.

smh

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/us/ohio-sam-dubose-tensing-indictment/

MontyBrunswick;1743182 wrote:Body cam from the Cinci police officer is pretty disturbing.

Dude is going to jail.

Also, he had a body cam and still shot him. Shocking.

Cop is a POS and will be punished fully.

I've watched the cinci shooting a couple times. the problem there is the body cam is too close. you see the shooting, but you don't have any situational awareness. the guy clearly slams on the gas pedal since his car ended up down the block pretty darn quickly. I'd imagine a lifeless body probably doesn't hit the gas pedal too hard. if there was a dashboard camera you would be able to see if the car was moving or the cop was still leaning in the vehicle while he was running next to it when the cop shot.

The cinci shooting would be nice if there was a dashboard camera to go along with the body camera. the body camera just seems too close to see if the car is moving before the cop shoots. if you pay attention to the car parked down the street from where the traffic stop was, by the time the cop gets up from the ground, he is like 30-40ft down the road almost right behind that car.

Glory Days;1743279 wrote:The cinci shooting would be nice if there was a dashboard camera to go along with the body camera. the body camera just seems too close to see if the car is moving before the cop shoots. if you pay attention to the car parked down the street from where the traffic stop was, by the time the cop gets up from the ground, he is like 30-40ft down the road almost right behind that car.

The cop committed murder in cold blood.

Glory Days;1743279 wrote:The cinci shooting would be nice if there was a dashboard camera to go along with the body camera. the body camera just seems too close to see if the car is moving before the cop shoots. if you pay attention to the car parked down the street from where the traffic stop was, by the time the cop gets up from the ground, he is like 30-40ft down the road almost right behind that car.

Lol Jesus dude...I know you're a cop and all but you don't have to defend EVERY single cop. There are some bad ones out there, this guy being one of them.

Glory Days;1743279 wrote:The cinci shooting would be nice if there was a dashboard camera to go along with the body camera. the body camera just seems too close to see if the car is moving before the cop shoots. if you pay attention to the car parked down the street from where the traffic stop was, by the time the cop gets up from the ground, he is like 30-40ft down the road almost right behind that car.

Lol, no.

Glory Days;1743279 wrote:The cinci shooting would be nice if there was a dashboard camera to go along with the body camera. the body camera just seems too close to see if the car is moving before the cop shoots. if you pay attention to the car parked down the street from where the traffic stop was, by the time the cop gets up from the ground, he is like 30-40ft down the road almost right behind that car.

Are you watching the same video?

The cop deserves his day in court but in this case it doesn't look good.

Once again, the advice listed in my original post would prevent these type of things from happening.

Glory Days;1743279 wrote:The cinci shooting would be nice if there was a dashboard camera to go along with the body camera. the body camera just seems too close to see if the car is moving before the cop shoots. if you pay attention to the car parked down the street from where the traffic stop was, by the time the cop gets up from the ground, he is like 30-40ft down the road almost right behind that car.

The UC cop clearly panicked and went straight to his gun. The car isn't moving considering the car was off during most of the traffic stop and when the driver turned on the ignition is when the cop pulled out his gun and shot him. The cop had absolutely no business trying to open the driver's door, especially without asking the driver to step out of the car at any point. And then he lied on his police report to try to cover up the fact that he panicked and killed someone.

He'll go to jail, and rightfully so. I'm glad Deters was able to handle this quickly, and I just hope that people don't freak out since the process went about as smooth as someone could ask for.

sherm03;1743351 wrote:The UC cop clearly panicked and went straight to his gun. The car isn't moving considering the car was off during most of the traffic stop and when the driver turned on the ignition is when the cop pulled out his gun and shot him. The cop had absolutely no business trying to open the driver's door, especially without asking the driver to step out of the car at any point. And then he lied on his police report to try to cover up the fact that he panicked and killed someone.

He'll go to jail, and rightfully so. I'm glad Deters was able to handle this quickly, and I just hope that people don't freak out since the process went about as smooth as someone could ask for.

Why did the driver turn on the ignition?

I'm not sure why people think that you should be able to run from cops. Cops are there to enforce that law and if you run from them that interrupts the process and creates a lawless society. When you are hailed by a police officer, you listen and obey their lawful orders until they leave. If you are mistreated, you only gain control after they leave and then you can take the appropriate action.

sleeper;1743354 wrote:Why did the driver turn on the ignition?

I'm not sure why people think that you should be able to run from cops. Cops are there to enforce that law and if you run from them that interrupts the process and creates a lawless society. When you are hailed by a police officer, you listen and obey their lawful orders until they leave. If you are mistreated, you only gain control after they leave and then you can take the appropriate action.

No idea why he turned it on. And he definitely shouldn't have. But turning on your ignition doesn't mean you should be shot in the head. The cop tried to open the Drivers door...which is wrong. He never gave the driver a lawful order to step out of the car before trying to open the driver's door...which is wrong. And he panicked and went for the lethal option first...which is wrong. Then he lied about it in his report to cover it up...which is also wrong. All of that will lead to him going to jail.

And I definitely agree with the notion if just complying with orders and then fighting it afterwards. But then we should probably look at better options than just providing people who can't afford to fight those instances an over worked public defender who is just going to try to push the case through as quickly as possible to get it off his caseload. For you, or me, or a lot of people on this site, sure you can get an attorney and fight being mistreated. For poor people, that's not always an option.

sherm03;1743368 wrote:No idea why he turned it on. And he definitely shouldn't have. But turning on your ignition doesn't mean you should be shot in the head. The cop tried to open the Drivers door...which is wrong. He never gave the driver a lawful order to step out of the car before trying to open the driver's door...which is wrong. And he panicked and went for the lethal option first...which is wrong. Then he lied about it in his report to cover it up...which is also wrong. All of that will lead to him going to jail.

And I definitely agree with the notion if just complying with orders and then fighting it afterwards. But then we should probably look at better options than just providing people who can't afford to fight those instances an over worked public defender who is just going to try to push the case through as quickly as possible to get it off his caseload. For you, or me, or a lot of people on this site, sure you can get an attorney and fight being mistreated. For poor people, that's not always an option.

There are plenty of attorneys that will take your case for free and then take a percentage of your settlement.

The reality is, poor people are stupid and at a certain point you give up and hope they don't reproduce. This guy had 12 kids so we are already fucked.

Also disagree; turning on your ignition can mean a number of things, none of which project a feeling of safety for the officer or the public.

Once again, another person dead by a cop because they chose to not comply. It's sad but can be easily prevented. Remember, the cop doesn't have hindsight 20/20 information and can only do what he thinks is best based on the information he has at the time. Don't give a cop a reason to have to make a life or death determination; comply with their every request.

sleeper;1743382 wrote:turning on your ignition can mean a number of things, none of which project a feeling of safety for the officer or the public

Turning on the ignition would not be any indication of danger for the officer if he wasn't unlawfully trying to open the car door or if he wasn't unlawfully reaching through the window to stop the driver from turning on the ignition.

As someone who has a State Trooper in his family, I will always give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt in these situations and will usually side with them. But there was nothing in that video that gave any indication that lethal force was necessary. I don't think the stop was racially motivated. I don't think the shooting was racially motivated. I think the officer pulled the guy over for no front tag hoping he'd be able to get additional charges out of it (DUI, suspended license, whatever), and then panicked and didn't fall back on his training. And because he didn't fall back on his training, he will be paying the price and doing time.

sleeper;1743382 wrote:Also disagree; turning on your ignition can mean a number of things, none of which project a feeling of safety for the officer or the public.

Once again, another person dead by a cop because they chose to not comply. It's sad but can be easily prevented. Remember, the cop doesn't have hindsight 20/20 information and can only do what he thinks is best based on the information he has at the time. Don't give a cop a reason to have to make a life or death determination; comply with their every request.

I agreed with your first post in this thread, but the above just does not jive with this Dubose situation. The cop chose to open the guy's car door. In what world or police handbook, tells you that it is ok to open the car door in a situation like that? Furthermore, he opened the door with his left hand, and with his right pointed the gun into the car. You can clearly hear the cop ask him to take his seat belt off while simultaneously grabbing on Dubose's car.

The cop reacted, and he reacted poorly. Plain and simple.

Last night a black 4 year old girl was shot in the head about a mile from where Sam Dubose was shot. Anyone know where the #blacklivesmatter protest is being held today?

sherm03;1743351 wrote:The UC cop clearly panicked and went straight to his gun. The car isn't moving considering the car was off during most of the traffic stop and when the driver turned on the ignition is when the cop pulled out his gun and shot him. The cop had absolutely no business trying to open the driver's door, especially without asking the driver to step out of the car at any point. And then he lied on his police report to try to cover up the fact that he panicked and killed someone.

He'll go to jail, and rightfully so. I'm glad Deters was able to handle this quickly, and I just hope that people don't freak out since the process went about as smooth as someone could ask for.

in the full video not on CNN, he asked the guy to take off his seat belt. the guy turned on the engine and put the car in drive. the cop reached in to grab the keys to stop him. if the cop feels the car starts to move while he is leaning the car, he'll do what he can to stop it. cops don't need to actually receive bodily injury before they shoot someone. how long does a cop need to be dragged by a car before they shoot? 5ft, 50ft, 100ft? the guy knowingly turned on the car, put the car in drive, and even if for a split second, made the decision to hit the gas pedal with the cop in the car.