The Troll King;1750133 wrote:Wow you guys maturity level is really showing through. I tried to apologize admitted that I handle things wrong and you children still want to be idiots whatever .

You constantly run your loud mouth at games (even though you never played because you were afraid of getting hit), and your boyfriend had to hold up a sign at the town square to try to get someone fired (even though your boyfriend also never played because he/she was afraid of getting hit). You may want to check who is acting childish.

Al Bundy;1750165 wrote:You constantly run your loud mouth at games (even though you never played because you were afraid of getting hit), and your boyfriend had to hold up a sign at the town square to try to get someone fired (even though your boyfriend also never played because he/she was afraid of getting hit). You may want to check who is acting childish.

This is the place for a lot of never played the game morons to stew(think that's what they say) Thing that gets me is coaches or who have never played the game, it's like little league baseball. It's no wounder , never mind, it's sad this @!$# didn't happen back in the day. Football in Ohio is a joke, look at OSU roster

James Stanley. Get some!

Who are you Mr Secret?

Now tell your wife to make me a fuckin sammich

Red Rider Nation;1750137 wrote:Hey Troll King Oldest Rider 2 has all of 4 posts and 1Beast hides behind a screen name and lives on here! What else would a Bellstores associate do? I wouldn't worry about any of them. They are all going to Dougies house for Thanksgiving dinner. Cooking is the one thing he is good at-no worries my friend. Got 2 texts from NW friends of mine last nite wondering what happened to Orrville football?? 26 kids on the team? I'm not sure I haven't been there but sounds about right. Tuslaw is a bad team but they have kids on it. Less and less boys wanting to play for the guy. That's pretty bad actually 26??

Pay attention a little more please. Orrville has more than 26 players. The freshman team has around 20 kids. Numbers are actually around 46. My only complaint is that they are splitting them up for whatever reason. 40+ kids is very solid for a small D5 school. You should quit using partial facts to push your idiotic agenda. Quit acting like you work for MSNBC of Fox News and start living in the real world please. Are you even living in Orrville currently?

Please use some grammar as well. You're an embarrassment to the Orrville City School District in more ways than one.

Oldest Rider2;1750205 wrote:Pay attention a little more please. Orrville has more than 26 players. The freshman team has around 20 kids. Numbers are actually around 46. My only complaint is that they are splitting them up for whatever reason. 40+ kids is very solid for a small D5 school. You should quit using partial facts to push your idiotic agenda. Quit acting like you work for MSNBC of Fox News and start living in the real world please. Are you even living in Orrville currently?

Please use some grammar as well. You're and embarrassment to the Orrville City School District in more ways than one.

hahahahaha MSNBC of Fox News?? I just got dumber reading that post! No I don't live in Orrville and don't care to ever again.

Red Rider Nation;1750211 wrote:hahahahaha MSNBC of Fox News?? I just got dumber reading that post! No I don't live in Orrville and don't care to ever again.

Perfect. Stay away. Be a keyboard hero in your new residence.

Oldest Rider2;1750216 wrote:Perfect. Stay away. Be a keyboard hero in your new residence.

Hahaha new residence? I've lived here 12 years.

Red Rider Nation;1750211 wrote:I just got dumber reading that post!

.....not possible.

pretty cool stuff

If Orrvill has 20 freshmen, I think that is a step in the right direction! Smithville had been down (number wise) the last few years but has kind of turned the corner and has 41 upper classmen and 19 Freshmen. The Schrock firing in 2011 hurt the program but it is rebounding, I hope the same for Orrville.

I hope the numbers continue to grow in Orrville also. I am struggling to watch this season and as we get into the meat of the season it probably is going to be a long season. I still think the preparation (on the kids part) is not taking place in the summer. Time is not being spent in the weight room. If they are spending the time it only counts if you put in the work. What I see is a bunch of kids that want to win on Friday night but are not willing to do what it takes in June, July and August. I am a long way from this program but that is what it looks like from a birds eye view.

I have had this conversation with people on salary before...everyone wants to be paid high dollar...but are they willing to do what that person has done to get that high salary? Most are not.

Halfway down this article mentions Orrville....the 1927 team.

Medina’s 62-6 football victory over visiting Wadsworth on Friday was historic.The 62 points allowed by Wadsworth is a school record in that category, surpassing the 57 points allowed in a 57-0 loss to Orrville in 1927, according to the Medina Gazette.

http://www.ohio.com/sports/beaven/high-school-notebook-norton-set-to-open-multimillion-athletic-facility-this-week-1.624215?cache=18961415304345%25252Fnews%25252Fohio%25252Fcss%25252Fresults%252F7.579645

oldsmithie;1750646 wrote:If Orrvill has 20 freshmen, I think that is a step in the right direction! Smithville had been down (number wise) the last few years but has kind of turned the corner and has 41 upper classmen and 19 Freshmen. The Schrock firing in 2011 hurt the program but it is rebounding, I hope the same for Orrville.

Agreed.

And the point of keeping the 9th graders together as 1 unit is so that you aren't bringing up freshmen to play JV/Varsity and getting smashed by OCC schools and not coming back out for football as 10th graders.

The freshmen are 2-0 against other freshmen teams (wins over Barberton & Wooster)...they got killed by Triway's JV team but that will happen when you go against juniors.

With 26 on the varsity roster, there's no point in having a JV team.

Good numbers at the middle school too, 20+ per team.

So all told, you have around 86 in grades 7-12...that's 14-15 per class. That's about all we can ask for considering our enrollment. New normal. This isn't 1980's or 90's anymore when we had 240 boys in the top 3 grades.

Last count was around 135 boys in the top 3 grades. Any wonder our numbers are down with ~100 less boys from our "glory days?" That's not athletes either...just the number of kids walking the halls.

These are things not seen when you're not engaged in the issues & realities facing our town. If Doug Davault is an easy scapegoat...have at it. But it's not reality.

rrfan;1750920 wrote:I hope the numbers continue to grow in Orrville also. I am struggling to watch this season and as we get into the meat of the season it probably is going to be a long season. I still think the preparation (on the kids part) is not taking place in the summer. Time is not being spent in the weight room. If they are spending the time it only counts if you put in the work. What I see is a bunch of kids that want to win on Friday night but are not willing to do what it takes in June, July and August. I am a long way from this program but that is what it looks like from a birds eye view.

I have had this conversation with people on salary before...everyone wants to be paid high dollar...but are they willing to do what that person has done to get that high salary? Most are not.

Change your leader and your results will change! You aren't talking wins and losses so you aren't talking talent. You are saying they are not putting the time in they should be. Again change the leader and the results will change!! The wins and losses may not but the commitment of those under you will.

You will not see this next year either just by going to PAC. The results will still be the same. Kids will still not put in the time and continue to not commit to the program.

Red Rider Nation;1750959 wrote:Change your leader and your results will change! You aren't talking wins and losses so you aren't talking talent. You are saying they are not putting the time in they should be. Again change the leader and the results will change!! The wins and losses may not but the commitment of those under you will.

You will not see this next year either just by going to PAC. The results will still be the same. Kids will still not put in the time and continue to not commit to the program.

Don't put words into my mouth. I am not for getting the coach out! In fact in this program right now he and most of the staff are the only bright spots. How about we start with the parents and don't let them baby their kids to the point of needing a bottle fed to them in High School.

These coaches can't push these kids like they used to be able to because they will quit. Run them...they quit. Shed them....oh lord all the parents will be in to have the coaches head for punishing their powder puff kid. But don't worry the AD will have the coaches back (that is sarcasm).

Wow! Doesn't take long for us to start on this train. SO on another note I would like to share the following:

A few former players were asked to come to practice to talk to the team on different days. It was pretty neat, one thing I can share is that after speaking to the team we went to the locker room (which has not changed in 20 years and smells exactly the same). Every class has a list of players that had come out for football. The lists were WAY longer than the number of kids I saw on the field. So I asked the coaches "lots of names on here, more than what I saw on the field. are kids hurt or on vacations"? The response from EVERY coach was that most stopped coming because practice was either too hard or it just took up too much of their summer time????? WOW!!! That was a shocker to me, I mean I have heard people talk about it but when I saw the handwritten names (written by the kids), compared to what I saw on the field..... Really took me back. Numbers look to be on the rise (for Orrville). Seems like the players we do have really want to be there so that can't be a bad thing. A few of the coaches are really excited about this group really buying in!!! Gonna be a long hard season, stay faithful guys! The greatest growth usually happens when you are tested the most....

rrfan;1750982 wrote:Run them...they quit. Shed them....oh lord all the parents will be in to have the coaches head for punishing their powder puff kid.

Don't forget not getting the kid enough "touches." In that case, the kids comes in the coaches office and complains....no need for the parents to be involved. :RpS_bored:

This kid was coached by Davault and the current staff just a few years ago. What's different?

Some kids just want it more apparently....and some kids want to put in ZERO work...but want to shine in Friday nights.

Let's face it. More and more kids are motivated by retweets and likes on social media and could care less how many touchdowns they score or athletic letters they earn. That stuff is hard. Instant gratification is much easier.

http://www.fightingillini.com/news/2015/9/15/Football_0915154408.aspx

Listen comparing him to most players is unfair. The kid is a workhorse and a student of the game. Most HS kids aren't that I don't care what school you are speaking of.

Red Rider Nation;1751076 wrote:Listen comparing him to most players is unfair. The kid is a workhorse and a student of the game. Most HS kids aren't that I don't care what school you are speaking of.

I can't believe this but I actually agree with you. However, it seems as though the kids are much further from a Monheim than ever before. What is a coach supposed to say to kids that say it is to hard? Do you want them to baby them and let them do as little as they want to do? You know that is not the answer. I feel the coach has done as much as any coach could do. I am sure he and all of us are open to suggestions as to make this better but the bottom line is there are many kids that do not want to put the work in. The ones that are have my and all the other former players respect. This group is going through something that I can not relate to. I don't know what it is like to work hard and get beat every Friday. I will take it one step further if those players know there are kids walking the halls that could help this team win it would be very hard for me not drag their lazy %SS out on the field.

rrfan;1751088 wrote:I don't know what it is like to work hard and get beat every Friday.

Personally...I think this is probably the BIGGEST reason for the low participation numbers in the last 3-4 years. Kids that are on the fence about playing or have questioned even coming out for football, see a group of kids busting their butt Monday thru Thursday only to watch them get worked on Friday night. Wake up first thing Saturday morning for films and re-watch the ass beating again...kids don's want any part of that. Too hard, too much time...SAD!

Now...I do think the move to the PAC will help in terms of increased numbers and the number of wins. It will take a few more years to reverse the affect of the last 3-4, but the move to the PAC is nothing but positive IMO.

I understand the reasoning for the move but I still don't like it. Always enjoyed strapping it up against the bigger schools. times have changed though.

5knots;1751106 wrote:I understand the reasoning for the move but I still don't like it. Always enjoyed strapping it up against the bigger schools. times have changed though.

I agree! Times have changed...and the demographics of this town have changed along with it.

5knots;1751106 wrote:I understand the reasoning for the move but I still don't like it. Always enjoyed strapping it up against the bigger schools. times have changed though.

Nobody likes it. I remember the 1990 team that went to Mansfield Madison when they were state ranked and we beat them. It was a very big deal. Loved the success we always seemed to have against Copley & Wadsworth...much bigger schools but we took it to them every year. Loved the wars we had with CCC & Ashland. It made us better.

We're such a different town than we were in the 70's/80's/90's. The move to the PAC is the first acknowledgement that we're not what we used to be. And that's OK. Continuing down the OCC road would simply continue the downward spiral. Kids aren't stupid...they'll eventually get tired of being told to "get better" and losing by 30 on Friday night to a team of 80 kids.

The current 7th grade team has gotten pounded every game this season. This same class went undefeated as 6th graders in the pee-wee league with other teams from this county. Size of schools in the OCC even at the middle school level has had a huge impact on participation numbers also.