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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Apr 30, 2015 4:41pm
That article doesn't say he broke his own neck.QuakerOats;1725629 wrote:http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/04/breaking-news-no-evidence-found-that-freddie-gray-s-death-was-result-of-police-who-arrested-him-prob.html
So the guy broke his own neck, yet I am certain the activists and the media will say that is a fabricated report.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Apr 30, 2015 4:47pm
No but because you see one cop shoot someone and plant evidence also doesn't mean all cops do that
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Apr 30, 2015 4:51pm
WebFire;1725631 wrote:That article doesn't say he broke his own neck.
Essentially it does.
No one else broke it. And, the other guy in the van exited ok.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Apr 30, 2015 4:58pm
Well, that doesn't exactly hold up in the court of law. What the article said was...QuakerOats;1725635 wrote:Essentially it does.
No one else broke it. And, the other guy in the van exited ok.
Details surrounding exactly what caused Gray to slam into the back of the van was unclear. The officer driving the van has yet to give a statement to authorities. It’s also unclear whether Gray’s head injury was voluntary or was a result of some other action.
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Apr 30, 2015 4:59pm
I knowsportchampps;1725633 wrote:No but because you see one cop shoot someone and plant evidence also doesn't mean all cops do that
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 30, 2015 5:21pm
Not sure the autopsy will be conclusive. My guess it was probably a combination of factors. At a minimum, his tantrum and a "rough ride" probably provided the necessary force. And I suspect he may have already suffered fractures during the arrest.WebFire;1725638 wrote:Well, that doesn't exactly hold up in the court of law. What the article said was...
The other question is 6 cops were involved at various points - how do you decide who should be charged with what?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 30, 2015 6:19pm
Just charge the white ones.gut;1725647 wrote:Not sure the autopsy will be conclusive. My guess it was probably a combination of factors. At a minimum, his tantrum and a "rough ride" probably provided the necessary force. And I suspect he may have already suffered fractures during the arrest.
The other question is 6 cops were involved at various points - how do you decide who should be charged with what?
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Apr 30, 2015 7:07pm
Saw a clip that the mayor wont answer questions and has Al Sharpton is going to be doing his thing, race baiting and all.
that means this is going to be a bad thing when he is there
that means this is going to be a bad thing when he is there
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Apr 30, 2015 9:25pm
CNN showed the travel of the van. My question is why did they drive around the whole neighborhood before taking him to the precinct when the precinct was basically 2 blocks down the street. What should have been a 5 minute ride turned into a 45 minute one.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Apr 30, 2015 9:54pm
Even if he harmed himself, the didn't follow protocol by securing him properly (or so I've read). Also, there's the whole asking for medical help and them ignoring that. I have a feeling this just going to end well, somehow someway.gut;1725647 wrote:Not sure the autopsy will be conclusive. My guess it was probably a combination of factors. At a minimum, his tantrum and a "rough ride" probably provided the necessary force. And I suspect he may have already suffered fractures during the arrest.
The other question is 6 cops were involved at various points - how do you decide who should be charged with what?
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Apr 30, 2015 9:58pm
this will end with a police union rep, the mayor and a few lawyers in a room hammering out a deal and nobody loses a job and nobody goes to jail.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Apr 30, 2015 10:07pm
And then more (worse?) rioting.Spock;1725807 wrote:this will end with a police union rep, the mayor and a few lawyers in a room hammering out a deal and nobody loses a job and nobody goes to jail.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 30, 2015 10:18pm
They picked up another prisoner. Probably why.bigkahuna;1725754 wrote:CNN showed the travel of the van. My question is why did they drive around the whole neighborhood before taking him to the precinct when the precinct was basically 2 blocks down the street. What should have been a 5 minute ride turned into a 45 minute one.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 30, 2015 10:21pm
It's a brand new protocol, like this April 2nd or something. So probably not negligence. As for refusing medical attention, who knows. Prisoners apparently pull that all the time, so will probably depend on how long they waited after getting back to the station.WebFire;1725801 wrote:Even if he harmed himself, the didn't follow protocol by securing him properly (or so I've read). Also, there's the whole asking for medical help and them ignoring that. I have a feeling this just going to end well, somehow someway.
My guess is Man 1 will be off the table, but one or more of the cops will probably face manslaughter charges. Likely be found guilty of some lesser, but still serious, charges.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Apr 30, 2015 10:34pm
Saw a video where former Raven LB Ray Lewis was disgusted with the rioters...Why Ray? ...weren't they stabbing enough people to death and then pinning the whole thing on one of their posse?
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Apr 30, 2015 11:43pm
I don't think the cops did that bad actually. Look at most of the Midwest riots during the 60s, the cops fought back and they escalated into week long wars.
As for those blaming the innocent who haven't ratted the thugs out, you don't know shit
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As for those blaming the innocent who haven't ratted the thugs out, you don't know shit
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Belly35
Posts: 9,716
May 1, 2015 6:32am
it's a method used to calm the Black arrestees down. Like driving in circles in your niegbhorhood.bigkahuna;1725754 wrote:CNN showed the travel of the van. My question is why did they drive around the whole neighborhood before taking him to the precinct when the precinct was basically 2 blocks down the street. What should have been a 5 minute ride turned into a 45 minute one.
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
May 1, 2015 9:29am
gut;1725835 wrote:They picked up another prisoner. Probably why.
I guess I understand that, but the track that they showed just baffled me. To me, it looks odd.Belly35;1725883 wrote:it's a method used to calm the Black arrestees down. Like driving in circles in your niegbhorhood.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 1, 2015 9:48am
BTW, now sure if this has been posted yet, but 3 WH officials for Gray's funeral, ZERO for Chris Kyle. Pretty fucking pathetic.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 1, 2015 9:54am
Again, though, that ain't gonna fly in court.gut;1725841 wrote:It's a brand new protocol, like this April 2nd or something. So probably not negligence. As for refusing medical attention, who knows. Prisoners apparently pull that all the time, so will probably depend on how long they waited after getting back to the station.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
May 1, 2015 9:59am
Would have been different if Chris Kyle were black.like_that;1725927 wrote:BTW, now sure if this has been posted yet, but 3 WH officials for Gray's funeral, ZERO for Chris Kyle. Pretty fucking pathetic.
Fact is, we elected a community agitator and not a president.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
May 1, 2015 10:02am
What do think isn't going to fly in court? Violating a policy instituted literally days before isn't going to rise to the level of gross negligence. The chief even recently admitted compliance with the new policy hasn't been that good.WebFire;1725934 wrote:Again, though, that ain't gonna fly in court.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 1, 2015 10:03am
Violating a policy is violating a policy. Doesn't matter when it was implemented. If that was your argument, my argument would be that your training and awareness of department policies is broken.gut;1725941 wrote:What do think isn't going to fly in court? Violating a policy instituted literally days before isn't going to rise to the level of gross negligence. The chief even recently admitted compliance with the new policy hasn't been that good.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
May 1, 2015 10:23am
By itself it won't remotely give rise to a homicide charge, that was the point. Enough to get him fired (which would be doubtful if not for the death), but that's about it. Violating that policy simply isn't something that qualifies as gross negligence, not when they operated that way for years without people getting a severed spine.WebFire;1725942 wrote:Violating a policy is violating a policy. Doesn't matter when it was implemented. If that was your argument, my argument would be that your training and awareness of department policies is broken.
The police chief even said they probably haven't communicated the policy as well as they could have. You're training or awareness argument doesn't create gross negligence where there is none.
Now it may add to the civil judgement against the city, but that's about it.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
May 1, 2015 10:28am
Ask yourself this question: Where should more blame be placed?WebFire;1725942 wrote:Violating a policy is violating a policy. Doesn't matter when it was implemented. If that was your argument, my argument would be that your training and awareness of department policies is broken.
Officers recieved written notice 3 day earlier on new protocol, not implemented vs over 20 criminal act breaking the long standing laws on criminal felonies.
Oh! this is not the first time riding in a police van ... stay the fuck seated.