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Apr 28, 2015 11:17 AM
I don't personally see people with backgrounds as less than me and think they deserve to be abused or whatever, BUT I tend to believe those with criminal backgrounds are more likely to put them self in a bad situation or avoid going to jail/prison again.
Apr 28, 2015 11:17am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:18 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1724718 wrote:Just to combat the news narrative...

http://mic.com/articles/116702/10-images-of-the-baltimore-riots-you-won-t-be-seeing-on-tv
No different than the news media only focusing on the bad cop situations. Thousands upon thousands of good acts by cops everyday are not shown on the news.
Apr 28, 2015 11:18am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:21 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1724717 wrote:Probably b/c police have authority over us and are supposed to be someone we can trust, and they don't feel like they can trust them after years of experience telling the otherwise?
They don't have to trust the police in order to follow the law. Lol Sure it would be nice and definitely lend to a better community culture if the citizens and police cooperated and worked well together. That should be a continued effort but just because you don't trust the police doesn't mean we should listen to your message when you riot and destroy the city.

I intentionally avoid hearing their message when someone throws what's equivalent to an adult tantrum.
Apr 28, 2015 11:21am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:22 AM
WebFire;1724722 wrote:No different than the news media only focusing on the bad cop situations. Thousands upon thousands of good acts by cops everyday are not shown on the news.

Of course. I'm not disputing that.
Apr 28, 2015 11:22am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:22 AM
I saw lots of people yesterday trying to keep things calm and get people to stop the looting and other things. I think we all understand that the media has a narrative to put out so they get views and clicks. You watch once things calm down, they'll change that and look at things from another view. Yet they'll never admit to only showing certain things. This is never going to change because media isn't held accountable for things they do.
Apr 28, 2015 11:22am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:24 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1724728 wrote:Of course. I'm not disputing that.
So you think the majority of cops are good, but you want to waste tax dollars on having all of them carry cameras? Gotcha.
Apr 28, 2015 11:24am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:27 AM
Con_Alma;1724725 wrote:They don't have to trust the police in order to follow the law. Lol Sure it would be nice and definitely lend to a better community culture if the citizens and police cooperated and worked well together. That should be a continued effort but just because you don't trust the police doesn't mean we should listen to your message when you riot and destroy the city.

I intentionally avoid hearing their message when someone throws what's equivalent to an adult tantrum.
And its a terrible equivalence.

In this case you're often being detained and eventually arrested and aren't given a clear reason as to why. And when you ask, you're automatically resisting, and so on a so forth. So by the end of the day, you're appearing before a judge within 10 days with a plethora of bullshit charges b/c a police officer knew he could.
This isn't mommy telling you to go to your room. These are actual life altering events.
Apr 28, 2015 11:27am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:28 AM
like_that;1724731 wrote:So you think the majority of cops are good, but you want to waste tax dollars on having all of them carry cameras? Gotcha.

Why not? We have no problems wasting tax dollars for 98 million dollar jets that sit in hangers. Cameras aren't nearly as expensive.
Apr 28, 2015 11:28am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:29 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1724732 wrote:And its a terrible equivalence.

In this case you're often being detained and eventually arrested and aren't given a clear reason as to why. And when you ask, you're automatically resisting, and so on a so forth. So by the end of the day, you're appearing before a judge within 10 days with a plethora of bullshit charges b/c a police officer knew he could.
This isn't mommy telling you to go to your roof. These are actual life altering events.
Conjecture.
Apr 28, 2015 11:29am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:30 AM
sleeper;1724734 wrote:Conjecture.
No I get to see it every Wednesday for 8 hours as part of my civil duty.
Apr 28, 2015 11:30am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:33 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1724735 wrote:No I get to see it every Wednesday for 8 hours as part of my civil duty.
What you described is against the law. Why are these people not filing a civil lawsuit to punish these lawbreakers? My guess is you are bullshitting.
Apr 28, 2015 11:33am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:36 AM
sleeper;1724737 wrote:What you described is against the law. Why are these people not filing a civil lawsuit to punish these lawbreakers? My guess is you are bullshitting.

How so? There's plenty of things that you can be arrested for that a lot of people do everyday. And they're felonies. All of them are no billed and amounted to a drain on the court system.. but theyre not civil right violations
Apr 28, 2015 11:36am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:37 AM
You can be detained and not told why. It's not illegal.
Apr 28, 2015 11:37am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:39 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1724739 wrote:How so? There's plenty of things that you can be arrested for that a lot of people do everyday. And they're felonies. All of them are no billed and amounted to a drain on the court system.. but theyre not civil right violations
If I was arrested without a reason, mistreated, etc, I would comply with the officers requests no matter how disgusting. I would record everything, write down names, and then immediately upon release file a lawsuit against the city, the state, the police officers, etc for $100 million dollars. But again, I know how to enact change and its not going to be by resisting arrest and rioting.
Apr 28, 2015 11:39am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:39 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1724740 wrote:You can be detained and not told why. It's not illegal.
False.
Apr 28, 2015 11:39am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:40 AM
sleeper;1724742 wrote:If I was arrested without a reason, mistreated, etc, I would comply with the officers requests no matter how disgusting. I would record everything, write down names, and then immediately upon release file a lawsuit against the city, the state, the police officers, etc for $100 million dollars. But again, I know how to enact change and its not going to be by resisting arrest and rioting.
And you'd have no basis. They don't have to tell you the probable cause.
Apr 28, 2015 11:40am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:40 AM
sleeper;1724743 wrote:False.
Think again junior.
Apr 28, 2015 11:40am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:41 AM
And again Zwick, you are creating a culture that says its okay to resist arrest because we all know officers are now thinking "I don't want to lose my job, but this person is a criminal and I need to do my job". The reality is, police using force is necessary to enforce the law; time for black people to grow up.
Apr 28, 2015 11:41am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:42 AM
I'm sure Freddie Gray legitimate thought he was innocent and didn't do anything wrong just like when rioters are getting arrested and claiming the same thing. Where is the personal responsibility? Everyone who commits a crime is just innocent, especially if they are black. Grow up.
Apr 28, 2015 11:42am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:42 AM
sleeper;1724748 wrote:And again Zwick, you are creating a culture that says its okay to resist arrest because we all know officers are now thinking "I don't want to lose my job, but this person is a criminal and I need to do my job". The reality is, police using force is necessary to enforce the law; time for black people to grow up.
and you're creating a culture of uninformed people.
Apr 28, 2015 11:42am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:48 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1724750 wrote:and you're creating a culture of uninformed people.
Not really. If you want change, condoning any rioting is not how you do it. Justfiying rioting is not how you do it. Teach people how to enact change and you may get it.

Now, I've yet to see really any solutions to fix this "issue". How do you propose we end murders? Basically, the solution to this is to eliminate bad people which is impossible. My other solution is to teach black people to stop committing crimes and respect the fucking law.
Apr 28, 2015 11:48am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:48 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1724732 wrote:And its a terrible equivalence.

In this case you're often being detained and eventually arrested and aren't given a clear reason as to why. And when you ask, you're automatically resisting, and so on a so forth. So by the end of the day, you're appearing before a judge within 10 days with a plethora of bullshit charges b/c a police officer knew he could.
This isn't mommy telling you to go to your room. These are actual life altering events.
They need not tell you everything you are charged with at the time of detaining you. They can review any information and evidence to determine if you are in violation of the law. Your attorney will be made aware of said charges. Get made of him/her if you don't know all of them.

It really doesn't matter to me if people trust the poloce or not. I'm just telling you trust isn't necessary to follow the law. A person has the ability to follow the law separate of a trust in the police.
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Apr 28, 2015 11:52 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1724735 wrote:No I get to see it every Wednesday for 8 hours as part of my civil duty.

You're not the only person on here to have served on a Grand Jury. If your arrested and detained and the GJ voted to no bill your case the justice system worked may have worked perfectly well.
Apr 28, 2015 11:52am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:54 AM
Con_Alma;1724754 wrote:You're not the only person on here to have served on a Grand Jury. If your arrested and detained and the GJ voted to no bill your case the justice system worked may have worked perfectly well.
No ones saying the system didn't work. But it does lend credence as to why people may or may not trust police.
Apr 28, 2015 11:54am
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Apr 28, 2015 11:58 AM
I didn't suggest that anyone stated that the system doesn't work.

People don't need to trust the police in order to have the ability to follow the law. Go ahead and continue the distrust....but do so as a law abiding citizen.
Apr 28, 2015 11:58am