queencitybuckeye;1726107 wrote:I'd like to see bad cops removed from police forces and would like to hear more good cops publicly calling for the same. I'd like to hear the FOP say something like they support their officers, right up to the point where wrongdoing is proven. Advocacy group or not, their blind support of all cops' actions is not especially different from Rev. Al's position that everything is race-based.

Can you point to any instances where other cops covered up for dirty cops? So the FOP shouldn't support their officers until proven guilty? I mean, that is the point at where wrongdoing is proven right? Cops are accused of things everyday and most end up being baseless accusations.

gut;1726115 wrote:Ehhhh, I wouldn't go that far. Based on the facts I've seen, a jury trial is warranted. Not sure about the manslaughter charge...I thought they would go with injuries during the arrest, or failure to get prompt and proper medical attention as their best shot at manslaughter. The latter may still be on the table, but sounds like they're saying his death was caused by being unrestrained and being thrown against a bolt. To me that's an accidental death, unless they can prove the "rough ride" which may be difficult to do beyond reasonable doubt.

No probable cause for arrest and the extra, unreported stop doesn't bode well for their defense. Some are saying the homicide charges are to get one or more of the cops to testify in exchange for a plea.

Question is if they all plea, will the hooligans be satisfied with anything other than a murder conviction?

I assume they will request a bench trial instead of a jury. I know I would. I haven't heard any explanations, but I don't see how they can charge the 5 cops who didn't have anything to do with driving the van if they said the injuries occurred in the van.

because this was done so quickly and probably without very much input from the investigation the PD turned over to the state, I feel this was purely a political move. This trial wont take place for years. So they are probably hoping by filing charges so quickly, it will cool the city down and by the time it goes to try, it wont be the flavor of the month again.

I also found it interesting the other day I was watching an interview with some of the community leaders who didn't have much faith in the DA since she is newly elected and didn't have much of a record before this. Even the guy from CNN was like "but you elected her" and their only response was, "but this shouldn't be her first case, you don't get serious brain surgery from a new doctor, you get an experienced one"

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1726104 wrote:Saw the FOP is asking the prosecutor to excuse herself and appoint a special prosecutor to handle the case.
Funny how police never worry about impartiality until the shoe is on the other foot. They don't mind a relationship with the prosecutor when it's amicable.

Given that City Prosecutor is an elected position, and that the prosecutor would be out of a job if she should find in favor of the police officers, I'd say that a conflict of interest definitely exists. Mob rule at its finest.

Glory Days;1726120 wrote:I assume they will request a bench trial instead of a jury. I know I would. I haven't heard any explanations, but I don't see how they can charge the 5 cops who didn't have anything to do with driving the van if they said the injuries occurred in the van.

She's trying to get them to roll. But what if there's no story to trade for a plea? Pretty deplorable. And her announcement wreaked of politics.

HitsRus;1726121 wrote:Given that City Prosecutor is an elected position, and that the prosecutor would be out of a job if she should find in favor of the police officers, I'd say that a conflict of interest definitely exists. Mob rule at its finest.

Given that the prosecutor works hand in hand with cops everyday, one would suggest a conflict of interest works the other way too. Yet cops never complain about that.
especially Darren Wilson.

Here we go with what Liberals and Democrats want more separation of the races...
Black cops arrest Blacks, White cops arrest Whites and everyone else have to declare race B/W preference
With that ideology as long as population percentage applies to the all local, state and federal department jobs, all work place mod, education and let not for get college/ pro teams and entertainment ...

Belly35;1726132 wrote:Here we go with what Liberals and Democrats want more separation of the races...
Black cops arrest Blacks, White cops arrest Whites and everyone else have to declare race B/W preference
With that ideology as long as population percentage applies to the all local, state and federal department jobs, all work place mod, education and let not for get college/ pro teams and entertainment ...

Lolwut?

Read that 3 of the 6 cops are black. Is this still a racism situation? Or just more blacks blaming "the man" for all that ails them. Where does racism end and personal responsibility begin? Did racism force them to steal things and ruin other peoples property? Did racism force a lot of them to grow up with a mother only? How does racism pertain to how these people are brought up or act? At the very largest stretch (and I'd disagree), you could try to say racism may be why they are in poverty, but since when does poverty make you act like a pos?


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iclfan2;1726160 wrote:Read that 3 of the 6 cops are black. Is this still a racism situation? Or just more blacks blaming "the man" for all that ails them. Where does racism end and personal responsibility begin? Did racism force them to steal things and ruin other peoples property? Did racism force a lot of them to grow up with a mother only? How does racism pertain to how these people are brought up or act? At the very largest stretch (and I'd disagree), you could try to say racism may be why they are in poverty, but since when does poverty make you act like a pos?


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That and every government leader except the governor is black. I have been watching the interviews and they now have changed the narrative from racism to just cops vs minorities.

They want change, but keep voting the same people into office. Maybe its time they vote republican for a change : thumbup:

A breakdown of each officer involved.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-officers-actions/index.html

Automatik;1726212 wrote:A breakdown of each officer involved.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-officers-actions/index.html

Interesting, no mention of the "rough ride" given. Simply the fact that they didn't call an ambulance.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1726126 wrote: Yet cops never complain about that.
especially Darren Wilson.

Why would he? Everyone with a brain knew there was no case there, and the DOJ agreed.

3 of the 6 were black, and the one that actually drove the wagon was black? LOL you can't make this shit up!

Chuckle here.......the blacks have gone home, stupid whites stay to get arrested, no action at all as "MIGUEL " from CNN describes it as "chaotic".

WebFire;1726216 wrote:3 of the 6 were black, and the one that actually drove the wagon was black? LOL you can't make this shit up!

The white cops are guilty.........the black cops are victims of "the racist machine".

WebFire;1726216 wrote:3 of the 6 were black, and the one that actually drove the wagon was black? LOL you can't make this shit up!

The white cops are guilty.........the black cops are victims of "the racist machine", thus innocent. Has to be.

WebFire;1726216 wrote:3 of the 6 were black, and the one that actually drove the wagon was black? LOL you can't make this shit up!

=3 Uncle Toms. Some mob rule going on here. That said I am not convinced at this point that the cops did not do something shitty.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1726126 wrote:Given that the prosecutor works hand in hand with cops everyday, one would suggest a conflict of interest works the other way too. Yet cops never complain about that.
especially Darren Wilson.

One could "suggest" anything you want, but the point is that the prosecutor in this case has a vested financial interest in giving the mob what it wants.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1726126 wrote:Given that the prosecutor works hand in hand with cops everyday, one would suggest a conflict of interest works the other way too. Yet cops never complain about that.
especially Darren Wilson.

I bet you own a "Hands up, don't shoot" shirt

superman;1726246 wrote:I bet you own a "Hands up, don't shoot" shirt

Who doesn't?


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rydawg5;1726247 wrote:Who doesn't?


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You owning one would not surprise me in any way.

I own a "hands off, don't loot" shirt

gut;1726215 wrote:Why would he? Everyone with a brain knew there was no case there, and the DOJ agreed.

Maybe, but you can't have it both ways is my point.

HitsRus;1726240 wrote:One could "suggest" anything you want, but the point is that the prosecutor in this case has a vested financial interest in giving the mob what it wants.

So did McCulloch yet I didn't hear you complaining about him?

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1726256 wrote:Maybe, but you can't have it both ways is my point.

We should be able to have things both ways. It would start with getting rid of the presumption that one side or the other is the good guy. I'm willing to accept the possibility that at least one of the cops involved could have acted illegally. There are bad cops. No one should want these people to remain cops, least of all the majority of cops, the good ones. The rioters and looters, as opposed to any peaceful protesters, should be identified to the extent possible, arrested, and tried. As should the parade of grand jury witnesses in Ferguson that committed perjury.