KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Apr 20, 2015 11:07pm
without a doubtHitsRus;1722854 wrote:7 straight get on.... 5 straight hits. This one is on Tito.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 20, 2015 11:11pm
My biggest issue is why Bourn wasn't put in the game? Makes no sense. Or at least have Brantley in CF on days when Bourn is out. Who knows if Allen ever gets an out, but that should've been 3-0 with 2 outs and 2 on...
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Apr 20, 2015 11:11pm
It might be time to try other options at closer.
Allen is walking too many guys, and it just feels like he is constantly flirting with disaster out there.
3 runs is a freaking offensive explosion for this team, and it is criminal that they wasted that start by Bauer.
Allen is walking too many guys, and it just feels like he is constantly flirting with disaster out there.
3 runs is a freaking offensive explosion for this team, and it is criminal that they wasted that start by Bauer.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Apr 20, 2015 11:20pm
Another gem wasted. Have already said that too many times. If it isn't the offense getting blanked...the bully is giving it up.
Gotta get it together.
Gotta get it together.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Apr 21, 2015 12:03am
Eh, probably. But even with Bourne out there, that catch isn't a guarantee.Laley23;1722857 wrote:My biggest issue is why Bourn wasn't put in the game? Makes no sense. Or at least have Brantley in CF on days when Bourn is out. Who knows if Allen ever gets an out, but that should've been 3-0 with 2 outs and 2 on...
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Apr 21, 2015 12:24am
Agreed. Bourne is no Kenny Lofton. Cody Allen ERA...18.0. Trevor Bauer... .095.Glory Days;1722866 wrote:Eh, probably. But even with Bourne out there, that catch isn't a guarantee.
Meltdowns in the ninth are really hard swallow. But this offense is pathetic. When are they going to start hitting? Don't have even one home run this year with a man on base. That's hard to do.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Apr 21, 2015 3:51am
They haven't hit on a consistent basis for years now, and yet nothing is ever done to bring in guys that are capable of more than the boom/bust shit that has crippled this team.When are they going to start hitting?
The offense was bad last year, and bring in a poor man's Mark Reynolds in Moss is the only move of consequence Shaponetti made.
Then again quality hitters aren't found at the thrift store Shaponetti is forced to shop at. Big Lots and Blue Light Specials are now too rich for the Dolan's blood.
It is criminal how they insist on forcing this team to waste quality pitching that could win something if given some real help.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Apr 21, 2015 7:59am
^^^^ hello? ... did you watch the game last night? The game was in the can..the TEAM played well and they had a 3-0 lead after 8 1/3 innings. They were let down by a closer who didn't have his stuff and a manager who had a brain fart and didn't give his team the best chance to win. Cody Allen has good stuff, he just didn't have it last nite. His pitches were flat and left up in the strike zone. Bourn ABSOLUTELY makes that catch in CF. Brantley in CF probably makes it. Both of those guys have superior speed and experience in tracking well hit drives. Aviles, a super utility player with limited CF experience had no chance. I was surprised he came as close as he did.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 21, 2015 8:41am
So much for the Tribe wanting to get out to a "fast start." I expect them to correct some things going forward but they haven't done themselves any favors out of the gate.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 21, 2015 8:52am
You gotta think (hope) this shit is going to balance out as the season moves on. If our pitching staff keeps this up, it's hard to believe we are going to keep losing.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 21, 2015 9:04am
There's some old saying about "you're gonna win 60 (or 50), lose 60 (or 50) and what you do with the rest determines your season" or some crap like that. If you don't win 60, you're pretty shitty. LOLlike_that;1722884 wrote:You gotta think (hope) this shit is going to balance out as the season moves on. If our pitching staff keeps this up, it's hard to believe we are going to keep losing.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 21, 2015 9:09am
Youre kidding right? A gold glove CF with superior speed doesn't make that catch? He makes that catch and is standing under it for a second waiting...Glory Days;1722866 wrote:Eh, probably. But even with Bourne out there, that catch isn't a guarantee.
Aviles is slow and has no clue how to read a ball hit over his head and still almost made it. Bourn would've had no issues with it.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Apr 21, 2015 4:12pm
Bourn plays a very shallow centerfield and I've watched him botch flies like that ever since he's been here. Don't think he makes that play. I don't care that he won 2 gold gloves 5 years ago, he's no Kenny Lofton out there.HitsRus;1722878 wrote:^^^^ hello? ... did you watch the game last night? The game was in the can..the TEAM played well and they had a 3-0 lead after 8 1/3 innings. They were let down by a closer who didn't have his stuff and a manager who had a brain fart and didn't give his team the best chance to win. Cody Allen has good stuff, he just didn't have it last nite. His pitches were flat and left up in the strike zone. Bourn ABSOLUTELY makes that catch in CF. Brantley in CF probably makes it. Both of those guys have superior speed and experience in tracking well hit drives. Aviles, a super utility player with limited CF experience had no chance. I was surprised he came as close as he did.
In fact, I'm sick and tired of watching Michael Bourn play way below his station. He's been just about as bad as Swisher and their 13 million dollar yearly contracts.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 21, 2015 4:17pm
Bourn is not the same player he used to be and even national writers are taking notice.
From Jonah Keri's most recent article, "Michael Bourn isn't anywhere near the skilled fly ball catcher he used to be"
The discussion on the Indians revolves around our defense http://grantland.com/the-triangle/mlb-the-30-twins-yankees-indians-nationals-defense/
From Jonah Keri's most recent article, "Michael Bourn isn't anywhere near the skilled fly ball catcher he used to be"
The discussion on the Indians revolves around our defense http://grantland.com/the-triangle/mlb-the-30-twins-yankees-indians-nationals-defense/
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Apr 21, 2015 8:25pm
Bourn or Brantley on a bad day>>>then Aviles in CF.
The game situation dictates that Bourn would not be playing "shallow".. Tribe likely in a " no doubles defense ".
The game situation dictates that Bourn would not be playing "shallow".. Tribe likely in a " no doubles defense ".
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Apr 21, 2015 8:28pm
The good news. CC appears to have good stuff and is showing no signs of getting smoked in the face with a line drive. He struck out the side in the 1st.
The bad news: along the way of striking out the side...Jose Abreu hit one 400+ to left center to put the Sox up 1-0.
The bad news: along the way of striking out the side...Jose Abreu hit one 400+ to left center to put the Sox up 1-0.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 21, 2015 10:19pm
Despite Underwoods explanation, I am with Manning in being skeptical of why Carrasco left at 60 pitches today. Hopefully thats just the Cleveland Indians fan in me...
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 21, 2015 10:46pm
Z-Mac is just never going to work. He cannot throw anything other than a fastball for a strike. And his fastball isnt fast enough for that.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 21, 2015 10:58pm
Nice play, Moss.
Hopefully that isn't a killer.
Hopefully that isn't a killer.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 21, 2015 11:00pm
Shaw looked good there. More velocity and better location. Nice to see.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Apr 21, 2015 11:35pm
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Apr 22, 2015 7:43am
Z-Mac has his place....heck, even Josh Tomlin has a place. All teams are going to have pitchers like them.Laley23;1723162 wrote:Z-Mac is just never going to work. He cannot throw anything other than a fastball for a strike. And his fastball isnt fast enough for that.
I really don't want to compare Z-Mac with Tomlin though. McCallister has much better stuff and he showed it at the end of last year. He's not at that level right now... but neither are a lot of the guys.
Well played game by the Tribe last night. Raburn is off to a fast start. The pitching was really pretty good.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 22, 2015 9:49am
Fair enough, but that place is not end of a close game, like Tito is trying to mold him for...HitsRus;1723196 wrote:Z-Mac has his place....heck, even Josh Tomlin has a place. All teams are going to have pitchers like them.
I really don't want to compare Z-Mac with Tomlin though. McCallister has much better stuff and he showed it at the end of last year. He's not at that level right now... but neither are a lot of the guys.
Well played game by the Tribe last night. Raburn is off to a fast start. The pitching was really pretty good.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Apr 22, 2015 3:18pm
Tribe down 1-0 early and Kluber in a jam in the 3rd.
Not watching...doesn't appear like he has his best stuff.
Not watching...doesn't appear like he has his best stuff.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 22, 2015 4:43pm
This team is tough to watch right now. So many guys just without a clue at the plate.