As Bo Ryan once said Just Deal with it... Fuck him

sportchampps;1719569 wrote:As Bo Ryan once said Just Deal with it... Fuck him

My opinion too. As much as I dislike Duke, I still hate Wisconsin and Bo Ryan more.

I don't know if there has been duo of football/basketball coaches at the same school at the same time that were as hateable as Bo Ryan and Bret Bielema.

robj55;1719543 wrote:There's no doubt he will have issues at the next level, but his footwork is better than both of those guys and is more productive. Doesn't necessarily mean it will translate but I think there are a lot of Okafor and Towns type players at the next level. Think maybe they are being overrated a bit,

racist LOL

sportchampps;1719569 wrote:As Bo Ryan once said Just Deal with it... Fuck him

I can't stand that Turkey necked slack jawed yokel

Iliketurtles;1719561 wrote:The baseline play gets missed all the time refs aren't looking at that in that situation. It's obviously to see on replays though.

That is one thing, it was bad they missed him hopping on foot...which is most definitely a travel.

In the end, UK didn't win, so I am happy. Tyus Jones is fucking cold blooded. Every game I watched of Duke this year that kid made huge shots.

se-alum;1719557 wrote:Terrible officiating without repercussions is really dampening my love of sports. I understand calls that are up for interpretation, but clearly stepping on the baseline and a ball going off a player(as they got to see visual evidence) are not calls up for interpretation.

I saw all the replays...I am not certain the ball was tipped. I know the announcer kept saying "see...right there" but I just didnt see it or the ball rotating differently.

Eh...the refs. It came down to that FROSH from duke who avg 3 ppg and getting 8 straight, that fortunate shot and one by okafor. The call with the foot on th eline.....yeah, that was bad. I can see how it is missed if the ref is right there. He can be looking at the feet or for contact with players.

and the fact that Dekker couldnt make shit outside of 10 feet.

Laley23;1719607 wrote:That is one thing, it was bad they missed him hopping on foot...which is most definitely a travel.

In the end, UK didn't win, so I am happy. Tyus Jones is fucking cold blooded. Every game I watched of Duke this year that kid made huge shots.

Yeah I mean that out of bounds shouldn't get missed but you'll see it get missed all the time. I didn't notice him hop but if he did yeah that's a travel.
But there were similar things missed on Wisconsin won't get into them because they don't matter. Duke won they made shots down stretch and Wisconsin didn't it was as simple as that.

Yeah Tyus Stones. Dude is fucking awesome. I really hope he comes back but I just have the feeling he leaves as his stock isn't going to get any better no matter how much he improves his defense.

It now sucks that we have to wait a whole 7 months for college basketball to start again.

I feel like every game of importance anymore, someone is blaming the refs for the loss.

WebFire;1719665 wrote:I feel like every game of importance anymore, someone is blaming the refs for the loss.

They should stop blowing calls.

GOONx19;1719667 wrote:They should stop blowing calls.

Even when the reffing isn't bad or average though.

WebFire;1719672 wrote:Even when the reffing isn't bad or average though.

Yeah, I agree. It just stinks that the last two games had lots of questionable calls/no-calls.

I don't think the refs were any more or less competent than normal. I think in college basketball you have to expect a certain baseline level of incompetence, and I didn't think the refs deviated too much from that last night.

It came down to the same 5 minutes it came down to in Wisco/Kentucky. Wisco executed while Kentucky didn't; Duke executed while Wisco didn't. Don't think it's really any more complicated than that, blaming the refs takes away from how poorly Wisco finished the game and how clutch Duke was.

lhslep134;1719680 wrote:I don't think the refs were any more or less competent than normal. I think in college basketball you have to expect a certain baseline level of incompetence, and I didn't think the refs deviated too much from that last night.

It came down to the same 5 minutes it came down to in Wisco/Kentucky. Wisco executed while Kentucky didn't; Duke executed while Wisco didn't. Don't think it's really any more complicated than that, blaming the refs takes away from how poorly Wisco finished the game and how clutch Duke was.

I don't think the officiating was as bad as people are making it seem.

WebFire;1719686 wrote:I don't think the officiating was as bad as people are making it seem.

I agree. I thought one of Okafor's fouls was a bit ticky tacky, and a few other fouls could have or have not been called, but overall I thought that part went well. The big thing is that player on the baseline. If I remember right...was the ref right there...that could make it harder than if the play happened a bit further away as he could see the ball, some of the action and the foot on the line with the periferal (sp?) vision. Sometimes being right there doesnt give you the big picture.

I was hoping and rooting for a Wisky win, but wasnt too disappointed if Duke won because of Coach K and it won me more $$$.

I tihnk soon the replays, especially for teh FF, should be done upstairs where a person/people can view it on a bigger screen, enclosed and not have all the distractions around them.

There were missed calls that cannot be missed. Objective calls. There are three refs, one per baseline, with a foot out of bounds. They gave a bucket that was nearly a full second after the shot clock buzzer. Those two are unacceptable. There is nothing subjective about them.

GOONx19;1719694 wrote:There were missed calls that cannot be missed. Objective calls. There are three refs, one per baseline, with a foot out of bounds. They gave a bucket that was nearly a full second after the shot clock buzzer. Those two are unacceptable. There is nothing subjective about them.

My entire point is that those calls have been missed all year in big games throughout the season. It's definitely not a good thing that the baseline is so low that incompetence should almost be expected; but it is what it is, and both teams had to deal with it. Of the two teams who dealt with it, only one executed down the stretch while the other faltered.

GOONx19;1719694 wrote:There were missed calls that cannot be missed. Objective calls. There are three refs, one per baseline, with a foot out of bounds. They gave a bucket that was nearly a full second after the shot clock buzzer. Those two are unacceptable. There is nothing subjective about them.

Not to mention the blatant flagrant foul that missed live and on replay.

superman;1719746 wrote:Not to mention the blatant flagrant foul that missed live and on replay.

I agree. I'll give them a pass because it requires some degree of rule interpretation, but I thought Lyles should've been ejected.

GOONx19;1719767 wrote:I agree. I'll give them a pass because it requires some degree of rule interpretation, but I thought Lyles should've been ejected.

At the very minimum it was a flagrant 1.

I said at the time that it was borderline. I would have been ok with just a 1.

Got back from Indy this morning. It is a great city. I've enjoyed many good times there and hope to return again. Highly recommend.

Coach K out coached Bo Ryan down the stretch. Ryan had a nine-point lead with 12 minutes to go and the NPOTY on his side, and didn't win. The decision to transition back and forth between man and zone late had Wisconsin utterly confused. And those high ball screens, though. To the contrary of their reputation of being a three-point shooting team in recent seasons, Duke concentrated on attacking the basket with aggression and it worked. Wisconsin fell prey to it and the Blue Devils got to the line. That and an eighth man who was averaging 3.6 points per game dropped 16 to save the season. Meet the next Duke villain.

Sat a few tables away from Dan Dakich at Ruth's Chris prior to the game. Wanted to stop by and thank him for his efforts against MJ. I love that guy. He would be tremendous to have a drink with.

Mulva;1719535 wrote:Greg Gumbel clearly had that "classy and gracious" comment prepared in advance regarding Bo Ryan's comments.

I've always admired Bo Ryan, and have reflected that sentiment in many posts here. But he acted like a bitch last night. The comment he made about "rent-a-players" in reference to Kentucky and Duke was humorous. I'm sorry Jahlil, but we have decided to go in a different direction and take a little-known center from Sheboygan instead, said nobody ever. The guy lost some of his dignity last night.

The bitterness is understandable, though. It took him four seasons to get his team to arrive at the level of precision and cohesion that Coach K and John Calipari achieved in just over five months with theirs. He probably realizes that, at 67, there's a reasonable chance that he won't be back.

wghfan;1719584 wrote:racist LOL

What?

reclegend22;1719777 wrote:Got back from Indy this morning. It is a great city. I've enjoyed many good times there and hope to return again. Highly recommend.

Coach K out coached Bo Ryan down the stretch. Ryan had a nine-point lead with 12 minutes to go and the NPOTY on his side, and didn't win. The decision to transition back and forth between man and zone late had Wisconsin utterly confused. And those high ball screens, though. To the contrary of their reputation of being a three-point shooting team in recent seasons, Duke concentrated on attacking the basket with aggression and it worked. Wisconsin fell prey to it and the Blue Devils got to the line. That and an eighth man who was averaging 3.6 points per game dropped 16 to save the season. Meet the next Duke villain.

Sat a few tables away from Dan Dakich at Ruth's Chris prior to the game. Wanted to stop by and thank him for his efforts against MJ. I love that guy. He would be tremendous to have a drink with.

Coaches had nothing to do with it. When the officials called that and one on an obvious charge, the momentum swung against Wisky. Then there were 2 more blatantly blown calls in Duke's favor. It's as if ratface was going to get the hardware no matter how the game was played.

Footwedge;1719787 wrote:Coaches had nothing to do with it. When the officials called that and one on an obvious charge, the momentum swung against Wisky. Then there were 2 more blatantly blown calls in Duke's favor. It's as if ratface was going to get the hardware no matter how the game was played.

Yes, because a foul differential of 10 to 2 in the first half in favor of Wisconsin, culminating in two of Duke's most important players (and potentially highest NBA draft picks) incurring significant foul trouble before the second half even started, screams Duke getting all the calls. The officials must have confused Okafor for Frank Kaminsky when they sent him to the bench midway through the second half with four fouls.

Duke held Wisconsin to 63 points on 60 possessions, in what was Wisconsin's worst offensive performance of the tournament. Matt Jones bottled up Sam Dekker, who was the catalyst during the Badgers' run to the title game, and Amile Jefferson, despite Okafor on the bench most of the second half, held his own against Kaminsky. The alternating defensive patterns completely disrupted Wisconsin's plan of attack and Bo Ryan failed to adjust. Offensively, Duke started attacking the rim with vigor and the rest is now history.

Duke got some calls, to be sure. I'm glad they did. But so did Wisconsin.

reclegend22;1719794 wrote:Yes, because a foul differential of 10 to 2 in the first half in favor of Wisconsin, culminating in two of Duke's most important players (and potentially highest NBA draft picks) incurring significant foul trouble before the second half even started, screams Duke getting all the calls. The officials must have confused Okafor for Frank Kaminsky when they sent him to the bench midway through the second half with four fouls.

Duke held Wisconsin to 63 points on 60 possessions, in what was Wisconsin's worst offensive performance of the tournament. Matt Jones bottled up Sam Dekker, who was the catalyst during the Badgers' run to the title game, and Amile Jefferson, despite Okafor on the bench most of the second half, held his own against Kaminsky. The alternating defensive patterns completely disrupted Wisconsin's plan of attack and Bo Ryan failed to adjust. Offensively, Duke started attacking the rim with vigor and the rest is now history.

Duke got some calls, to be sure. I'm glad they did. But so did Wisconsin.

this is spot on......the refs would not call a foul on Kamisky in the 1st half and he had a few. The fix was in to keep it close...otherwise Duke would of beat them by 20