O-Trap;1808618 wrote:I loathe the thought of a Trump presidency, but I urge you to look up 'reductio ad hitlerum'.

that charge has a histoy, in Germany in the 1920s and early 1930s it was called 'reducto ad mussolineum' and used to attack those who compared the leaders of the Nazi Party to the Italian Dictator. There was a similar situation in China of the 1930s and early 1940s when any Chinese or Americans who compared Mao and his agrarian reformers to the leadership of the USSR, those critics were charged with 'reducto ad stalineum." Some times the charges are warranted.

isadore;1808615 wrote:I was about to accuse him of using dog whistles to the racist right, but his efforts are much more blatant than that. The country will have 4 year extension of Obama for better or worse.

Which means being indecisive to the point where even more Americans will get killed, ransoming, more terrible healthcare legislation and promising minorities everything under the moon but only delivering more welfare dependency.

Yep.

isadore;1808633 wrote:

• Conventional antipsychotics: Also called neuroleptics, these have been used to treat mental disorders since the mid-1950s. They work by blocking dopamine receptors in the brain. Dopamine is a neurotransmitter believed to be involved in the development of delusions. Conventional antipsychotics include Thorazine, Loxapine, Prolixin, Haldol, Navane, Stelazine, Trilafon, and Mellaril.
• Atypical antipsychotics: These newer drugs appear to be effective in treating the symptoms of delusional disorder with fewer movement-related side effects than the older typical antipsychotics. They work by blocking dopamine and serotonin receptors in the brain. Serotonin is another neurotransmitter believed to be involved in delusional disorder. These drugs include Risperdal, Clozaril, Seroquel, Geodon, and Zyprexa.
• Other medications: Tranquilizers and antidepressants might also be used to treat anxiety or mood symptoms if they occur in combination with delusional disorder. Tranquilizers might be used if the person has a very high level of anxiety or problems sleeping. Antidepressants might be used to treat depression, which often occurs in people with delusional disorder

People with severe symptoms or who are at risk of hurting themselves or others might need to be hospitalized until the condition is stabilized.


http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/delusional-disorder?page=3#1

Would these be the preferred medications for an individual involved in attempting to rationalize voting for a corrupt, serial lying, money-launderer for president of a (once) free republic?

ptown_trojans_1;1808635 wrote: On another note, why the fuck are you trusting what Julian Assange is saying? This guy has no love for the U.S.

Shall we insert Hillary Clinton for Julian Assange above?

HRC --- "I am for campaign finance reform ....................as soon as I launder tens of millions more through a loophole I love"

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-dnc-contributions/



What a rotten, deceitful, lying, despicable bitch. And I mean that in a nice way.

QuakerOats;1808642 wrote:Shall we insert Hillary Clinton for Julian Assange above?

That's the only part you quote and with that lame ass comeback? Gawd!

ptown_trojans_1;1808645 wrote:That's the only part you quote and with that lame ass comeback? Gawd!

Neither obama nor Mr. Bush has a 'body count list', just the Clintons.

There is little anyone on here can say that might sway your support for Clinton. Realizing that, if you wish to vote for the most corrupt person to ever seek office, then so be it.

QuakerOats;1808641 wrote:Would these be the preferred medications for an individual involved in attempting to rationalize voting for a corrupt, serial lying, money-launderer for president of a (once) free republic?

I think some of these are the ones that Hillary's handler was carrying.

CenterBHSFan;1808638 wrote:Which means being indecisive to the point where even more Americans will get killed, ransoming, more terrible healthcare legislation and promising minorities everything under the moon but only delivering more welfare dependency.

Yep.

few Americans are dying in foreign wars, millions of more Americans are given coverage in a program which of course you want to deny them, I am not aware of any moon that Obama. It was not a ransom payment.

QuakerOats;1808641 wrote:Would these be the preferred medications for an individual involved in attempting to rationalize voting for a corrupt, serial lying, money-launderer for president of a (once) free republic?

gosh a ruddies from a man who want our country to be ruled by a Mussolini clone

isadore;1808650 wrote: It was not a ransom payment.

It absolutely was. As of today, the US pays ransoms to terrorist countries no differently than victims pay "protection" from mafioso. That's where we are today.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1808738 wrote:It absolutely was. As of today, the US pays ransoms to terrorist countries no differently than victims pay "protection" from mafioso. That's where we are today.

gosh a ruddies, it is not ransom to return money that already belongs to someone else.

isadore;1808741 wrote:gosh a ruddies, it is not ransom to return money that already belongs to someone else.

Our government does not give money back

Spock;1808742 wrote:Our government does not give money back

really, gosh a ruddies I bet we can find a few folks even on this site who have gotten income tax refunds.

isadore;1808741 wrote:gosh a ruddies, it is not ransom to return money that already belongs to someone else.

So you're sqying that this money we have supposedly owed Iran for almost 40 years,through the terms of six presidents (including 95% of Obama's) is suddenly deemed necessary to return on the exact same date Iran returns our hostages?

I won't even get into asking why the plane with the hostages wasn't allowed to take off from Iran until the Iranians confirmed that their plane, loaded with pallets of cash, had embarked on its joirney home. The excuse given that the money couldn't have been wired because Iran isn't part of the international banking system is a lie. Iran does business with countries we do business and is capable of receiving wire transmissions via third parties. Such transactions go on zillions of times in the course of international business every single day.

We pay ransoms now; the cat's out of the bag. Next time a hate filled pack of wikd Muslims determines it needs cash, extortion of Uncle Sam will be seen as an option. As a result, lives will be inperil.

It absolutely was a ransom payment. That $400 million was frozen when the shah was overthrown ( it was spent by his regime), and then was released by Bill Clinton and used to settle lawsuits against Iran by Americans who were burned by the regime change. In other words, Bill Clinton used the Shah's money to settle debts that the Ayatollahs refused to pay Americans that were owed money.

The $400 million forwarded to Iran was taken out of the U.S. treasury....U.S. tax dollars.

Stop being an apologist for brazen corruption.

AFP: U.S. Agreed To Repay $400 Million Plus Interest To Iranian Government Over Disputed Arms Sale. On January 17, the United States government agreed to repay $400 million plus approximately $1.3 billion in accumulated interest to the Iranian government to resolve a disputed arms sale between the two nations that occurred &#8220rior to the break in diplomatic ties” during the 1979 Iranian revolution. According to reporting from Agence France-Presse (AFP) and other news agencies, the payment resolved a deadlock at the Iran-U.S. Claims Tribunal that had stood since the tribunal’s inception in 1981, and represented “a broader clearing of the decks between the old foes” just one day after the signing of an historic nuclear agreement. AFP reported at the time that the Obama administration’s political opponents were already attempting to scandalize the arrangement:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/08/04/myths-facts-400-million-payment-iran/212190

isadore;1808764 wrote:AFP: U.S. Agreed To Repay $400 Million Plus Interest To Iranian Government Over Disputed Arms Sale. On January 17, the United States government agreed to repay $400 million plus approximately $1.3 billion in accumulated interest to the Iranian government to resolve a disputed arms sale between the two nations that occurred &#8220rior to the break in diplomatic ties” during the 1979 Iranian revolution. According to reporting from Agence France-Presse (AFP) and other news agencies, the payment resolved a deadlock at the Iran-U.S. Claims Tribunal that had stood since the tribunal’s inception in 1981, and represented “a broader clearing of the decks between the old foes” just one day after the signing of an historic nuclear agreement. AFP reported at the time that the Obama administration’s political opponents were already attempting to scandalize the arrangement:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/08/04/myths-facts-400-million-payment-iran/212190

This wasn't the "US government" agreeing to anything. This was a unilateral decision by Obama that he won't answer for. Look at all these money transfers for 999,999,999.99. You seem like an intelligent person. You know damn well that this is a shady business he's engaged in. It was ransom. It was taxpayer money. It was illegal.

ptown_trojans_1;1808635 wrote:On another note, why the fuck are you trusting what Julian Assange is saying? This guy has no love for the U.S.

Frankly, I'm okay with trusting much of what comes from his camp, in part BECAUSE he has no love for the US. It's hardly unreasonable to imagine nationalism creating a blind spot.

isadore;1808637 wrote:that charge has a histoy, in Germany in the 1920s and early 1930s it was called 'reducto ad mussolineum' and used to attack those who compared the leaders of the Nazi Party to the Italian Dictator. There was a similar situation in China of the 1930s and early 1940s when any Chinese or Americans who compared Mao and his agrarian reformers to the leadership of the USSR, those critics were charged with 'reducto ad stalineum." Some times the charges are warranted.

I've never heard of "reductio ad mussolinium." I'd like a citation or some form of credibility to back that up. As for 'reductio ad stalinum', that came as a variation of 'reductio ad hitlerum', so I'm not sure why it's relevant.

As to your charge that "some times [sic], the charges are warrented," it doesn't matter. Trying to make your point by simply comparing someone to Hitler, since people rightly have such a negative view of Hitler's atrocities, is a logical fallacy. Always. So no, logical fallacies are not ever warranted.

Donald Trump is a glorified trust fund baby who has failed at almost everything he's done, and the one thing he's succeeded in doing was gift-wrapped for him (okay, I'm not counting The Apprentice televisions show). All that to say that there is PLENTY of ammunition for hitting Trump without resorting to logical fallacies.

isadore;1808743 wrote:really, gosh a ruddies I bet we can find a few folks even on this site who have gotten income tax refunds.

"Pay your taxes, and if you pay too much, we'll give some back."

I'd agree to give a little back, too, if it meant I could bilk trillions from people.

isadore;1808741 wrote:gosh a ruddies, it is not ransom to return money that already belongs to someone else.

YOUR prez just made it far more dangerous for Americans abroad with HIS ransom payment -

OWN IT.

Andrew Ziem , the co-founder and creator of BleachBit, the software program allegedly used by Hillary Clinton’s team to permanently wipe emails, revealed during an interview on the FOX Business Network’s Varney & Co., that even though the emails are permanently deleted from Clinton’s server, the possibility of those e-mails living on third-party servers still exists.


Why go to that extent to erase yoga emails?

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1808774 wrote:This wasn't the "US government" agreeing to anything. This was a unilateral decision by Obama that he won't answer for. Look at all these money transfers for 999,999,999.99. You seem like an intelligent person. You know damn well that this is a shady business he's engaged in. It was ransom. It was taxpayer money. It was illegal.

Gosh a ruddies we were just returning their money to them.

QuakerOats;1808805 wrote:YOUR prez just made it far more dangerous for Americans abroad with HIS ransom payment -

OWN IT.

gosh a ruddies there is nothing to own, all we did was give their money back to them.

O-Trap wrote:"Pay your taxes, and if you pay too much, we'll give some back."

I'd agree to give a little back, too, if it meant I could bilk trillions from people.

gosh a ruddies, so you want to be an American Financier.

O-Trap wrote:I've never heard of "reductio ad mussolinium." I'd like a citation or some form of credibility to back that up. As for 'reductio ad stalinum', that came as a variation of 'reductio ad hitlerum', so I'm not sure why it's relevant.

As to your charge that "some times [sic], the charges are warrented," it doesn't matter. Trying to make your point by simply comparing someone to Hitler, since people rightly have such a negative view of Hitler's atrocities, is a logical fallacy. Always. So no, logical fallacies are not ever warranted.

Donald Trump is a glorified trust fund baby who has failed at almost everything he's done, and the one thing he's succeeded in doing was gift-wrapped for him (okay, I'm not counting The Apprentice televisions show). All that to say that there is PLENTY of ammunition for hitting Trump without resorting to logical fallacies.

Gosh a ruddies, Trump is at a point when he can be stopped, now when he is a candidate, before he rises to power. Hitler was a similar point, running for President. He was using many of the same type attacks and appeals that Trump is using. It is not a logical fallacy.