I'm def getting in on this if Oscar Robertson and Frostee Rucker are!

An 1/8 was generally between $40-60 at the place we went in Crested Butte, Co. The 12 strains of Christmas special they had was 12 grams for $175 ( it was 1 gram of 12 different types) Cookies cost $10 and there were 6-8 cookies just a little bigger then a quarter. The place we went to didn't have a guard but you walked into a small front room where they checked ids then escorted you to the back room with the weed.

The only downside to it being legalized in Colorado was the amount of hopeless hippies we saw there. I'm guessing a ton of people like that arrived with the legalization because I hadnt noticed it being like that before. Any really nice nature place was filled with homeless beggars camping and smoking. They were almost scary in how far they would go with their panhandling almost threatening you for money.

i wouldn't vote for it yet in Ohio because I don't like that bill and I do t wanna be the first in the area to have it for the homeless problem it brings.

sportchampps;1704887 wrote:The only downside to it being legalized in Colorado was the amount of hopeless hippies we saw there. I'm guessing a ton of people like that arrived with the legalization because I hadnt noticed it being like that before. Any really nice nature place was filled with homeless beggars camping and smoking. They were almost scary in how far they would go with their panhandling almost threatening you for money.

i wouldn't vote for it yet in Ohio because I don't like that bill and I do t wanna be the first in the area to have it for the homeless problem it brings.

LOL you really think that legalizing weed brings a homeless problem?

It did in Colorado from my experience. It's like every homeless person from surrounding states moved there. We go to Colorado about 2-3 times a year since the in laws have a place there. In the last year every state or national park we have went to has been 3 - 4x busier and it's mainly homeless people loitering around. We stopped in one park and it was maybe 1/4 of a mile walk to a river where we always go tubing and swimming. On the walk this year we passed around 10-12 people begging for money. This is a spot where I never remember seeing more then 2 or 3 other families at the same time before. It was like this in almost every park we stopped at.

I just don't want to be the first in the Midwest to legalize it because of that. Let another state become the first then Ohio come after that. If it was legal everywhere this wouldn't even be a problem.

This is is coming from a person who used to be a pothead during college and still smokes occasionally now and doesn't really believe there's to many negitive aspects to it.

BTW since you seem to doubt it I googled it to see if I could find anything saying it was a problem and there were a lot of articles talking about it here's a few

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/24/denver-shelters-say-legal-pot-responsible-for-rise-in-city-homeless-population/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/07/28/is-legal-pot-causing-a-surge-in-homelessness-in-denver-who-knows/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/26/unexpected-consequences-of-legalizing-pot-in-colorado-homeless-shelters-take-a-hit/

jdf

sportchampps;1704920 wrote:BTW since you seem to doubt it I googled it to see if I could find anything saying it was a problem and there were a lot of articles talking about it here's a few

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/24/denver-shelters-say-legal-pot-responsible-for-rise-in-city-homeless-population/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/07/28/is-legal-pot-causing-a-surge-in-homelessness-in-denver-who-knows/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/26/unexpected-consequences-of-legalizing-pot-in-colorado-homeless-shelters-take-a-hit/

I just read the first article and it states the rise could be because of a thriving economy which is driving up pricing of lower cost housing and apartments.

Easy fix. Make it legal everywhere then the homeless just stay in their current city.

sportchampps;1704920 wrote:BTW since you seem to doubt it I googled it to see if I could find anything saying it was a problem and there were a lot of articles talking about it here's a few

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/24/denver-shelters-say-legal-pot-responsible-for-rise-in-city-homeless-population/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/07/28/is-legal-pot-causing-a-surge-in-homelessness-in-denver-who-knows/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/26/unexpected-consequences-of-legalizing-pot-in-colorado-homeless-shelters-take-a-hit/

Articles don't support your claim.

One Quote: Some officials who work with the homeless believe that it’s the overall population increase and do not see any support for linking the legalization of marijuana to the increase in the homeless population.

Another quote from a different article you posted:

Of course, it isn’t newsworthy, precisely because we shouldn’t draw broad conclusions about homelessness in Denver based on some anecdotes and one informal, unscientific survey taken in a single homeless shelter. There seems to be an eagerness to find consequences for pot legalization in places where there’s simply no evidence one way or the other.



Sorry but the homeless people aren't going to flock to Ohio because of legal marijuana. There are massive amouts of homeless people in California yet pot isn't legal there. People are just writing articles to find reasons to put down legalizing marijuana.

Wolves of Babylon;1704962 wrote:Easy fix. Make it legal everywhere then the homeless just stay in their current city.

Obvious answer is obvious. Too bad we're being lead (read: ruled) by morons.

Marijuana is not a right. That being the case the people through their representation can decide if the want a society which makes it legal or not. Once it is made illegal it takes the masses, and overwhemling majority to put pressure on their representatives to legalize or decriminalize it. That hasn't happened yet. It's getting closer and it will happen but we aren't their yet. Not enough of society thinks it's important enough to push for.

Con_Alma;1704990 wrote:Marijuana is not a right. That being the case the people through their representation can decide if the want a society which makes it legal or not. Once it is made illegal it takes the masses, and overwhemling majority to put pressure on their representatives to legalize or decriminalize it. That hasn't happened yet. It's getting closer and it will happen but we aren't their yet. Not enough of society thinks it's important enough to push for.

Do you save this response and just copy/paste it every time this topic is brought up. Most of us are aware of how laws are created or how to repeal them.

The debate is over whether or not it should be illegal.

Should it be illegal? Tell us why whichever side you are on?

No,. I don't save it but I do offer it as my opinion when the topic comes up just as others do theirs.

Being a nation of laws *I'm on the side of following the law. I find it very telling that people rely on certain laws that they agree with but then discard others they don't. When people take that position and then express disdain for those not wanting to follow the laws that they do in fact agree with it's hypocritical.

There's more merit to trying to change laws when the law itself is respected and followed.

Con_Alma;1704998 wrote:No,. I don't save it but I do offer it as my opinion when the topic comes up just as others do theirs.

Being a nation of laws *I'm on the side of following the law. I find it very telling that people rely on certain laws that they agree with but then discard others they don't. When people take that position and then express disdain for those not wanting to follow the laws that they do in fact agree with it's hypocritical.

There's more merit to trying to change laws when the law itself is respected and followed.

I prefer civil disobedience. I'm glad folks like Rosa Parks did as well.

I think it should be legal everywhere but after seeing Colorado change I don't want Ohio to be a pioneer. The problem is homeless people from different states invading the area not creating new homeless. The artiles do support it they actually give both sides of the argument. They even interview homeless people who moved to the area for that reason.

justincredible;1705003 wrote:I prefer civil disobedience. I'm glad folks like Rosa Parks did as well.

I appreciate that. The anti-establishment culture is quite prevalent today. I would however suggest that civil rights are quite different than that which this topic is based.

Con_Alma;1705007 wrote:I appreciate that. The anti-establishment culture is quite prevalent today. I would however suggest that civil rights are quite different than that which this topic is based.

I actually see this as a clear civil rights issue.

http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/society-suspects-war-drugs-civil-liberties

Invasion of privacy is a civil liberties issue.

The illegal use of marijuana isn't.

Con_Alma;1705015 wrote:Invasion of privacy is a civil liberties issue.

The illegal use of marijuana isn't.

It's a shame that you cannot see the connection between the two. Throwing people in jail for what they do in the privacy of their own homes is indeed a civil liberties issue.

justincredible;1705017 wrote:It's a shame that you cannot see the connection between the two. Throwing people in jail for what they do in the privacy of their own homes is indeed a civil liberties issue.

I haven't spoken against that. In fact I have stated that incasion of provacy is indeed a civil liberties issue.

I have spoken against those who are willing to act against the law while expect others laws to protect them. We don't all agree with all laws. Picking and choosing those you wish to follow is hypocritical if you want others to be enforced. It's hypocritical.

Con_Alma;1705007 wrote:I appreciate that. The anti-establishment culture is quite prevalent today. I would however suggest that civil rights are quite different than that which this topic is based.

I would agree that we're not discussing a rights issue. However, for me, the law doesn't define my views on right or wrong, the penalties merely affect my actions where I may disagree with the law. It's nothing but a cost/benefit analysis.

Con_Alma;1705020 wrote:I haven't spoken against that. In fact I have stated that incasion of provacy is indeed a civil liberties issue.

I have spoken against those who are willing to act against the law while expect others laws to protect them. We don't all agree with all laws. Picking and choosing those you wish to follow is hypocritical if you want others to be enforced. It's hypocritical.

The only laws that should exist/be enforced, IMO, are those that involve violating the rights of others (rape, murder, theft, ect). Nanny-state laws absolutely should not exist. I don't think my views are hypocritical at all.

sportchampps;1705006 wrote:I think it should be legal everywhere but after seeing Colorado change I don't want Ohio to be a pioneer. The problem is homeless people from different states invading the area not creating new homeless. The artiles do support it they actually give both sides of the argument. They even interview homeless people who moved to the area for that reason.

I've been to Denver twice in the past year and I can tell you that there were very few homeless around. Who cares if homeless are around. Maybe they went there thinking they'd get jobs. Homeless are not going to flock to Ohio to get legal marijuana. Ohio should be a pioneer but too bad this state is about 30 years behind in thinking. Do you think the homeless are flocking to Washington, Alaska, Oregon or DC?

justincredible;1705025 wrote:The only laws that should exist/be enforced, IMO, are those that involve violating the rights of others (rape, murder, theft, ect). Nanny-state laws absolutely should not exist. I don't think my views are hypocritical at all.

I appreciate your opinion but that's obviously not the position of all others. We have the ability to collectively craft the type of society, environment and culture we would ideally like to be striving towards being. We do that through laws so long as it doesn't infringe on those fundamental rights.

This may in time be a benefit to marijuana supporters. As of not it's not.

Con_Alma;1705028 wrote:I appreciate your opinion but that's obviously not the position of all others. We have the ability to collectively craft the type of society, environment and culture we would ideally like to be striving towards being. We do that through laws so long as it doesn't infringe on those fundamental rights.

This may in time be a benefit to marijuana supporters. As of not it's not.

Ahh, yes. Democracy. A form of government completely incompatible with liberty.