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isadore
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Jan 10, 2015 9:38pm
gosh a ruddies the perfect excuse for the haves to continuously deny aid to those in need. The perfect excuse for selfishness. Those in need are just being so selfish hoping for aid from those that have the resources.Con_Alma;1694846 wrote:Is it any less selfish for the "have nots" to want such subsidies?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 10, 2015 9:43pm
you are so unwilling to grant the true resources needed to provide those in need the basics for social mobility. Support higher taxes to help those in need.Cleveland Buck;1694843 wrote:So why don't know want to give some poor American social mobility? Are you too selfish and greedy to write a check?
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Jan 10, 2015 9:49pm
I am more than willing to grant them your money. Now write the check unless you are too selfish and greedy to do it.isadore;1694850 wrote:you are so unwilling to grant the true resources needed to provide those in need the basics for social mobility. Support higher taxes to help those in need.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 10, 2015 9:54pm
gosh a ruddies I support the education of the needy and now to truly do something worthwhile you must support a raise in taxes on the upper quintiles to provide funds for social mobility of the needy.Cleveland Buck;1694856 wrote:I am more than willing to grant them your money. Now write the check unless you are too selfish and greedy to do it.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jan 10, 2015 10:03pm
1- YesCon_Alma;1694829 wrote:I know exactly what the expenses of college are today. I have one there and one on the way.
Would your debt have been lower if you stayed another year at Community College?
Do you think everyone should be given 2 free years even if they are able to pay?
2- I dont even know if I think you should be given any years for free if you are able to pay, let alone two. What is your definition of "able to pay"? Out of pocket or having to take out loans?
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 10, 2015 10:25pm
Sorry, the "can't afford college" excuse is literally for stupid people. The ability to obtain affordable loans for college has been available for a long, long time.isadore;1694844 wrote:no, it makes things better for the haves, but not the have nots.
which of course is not a problem for you.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 10, 2015 10:27pm
A college degree doesn't offer the stupid social mobility. And college is only unaffordable if you're stupid.isadore;1694850 wrote:you are so unwilling to grant the true resources needed to provide those in need the basics for social mobility. Support higher taxes to help those in need.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 10, 2015 11:01pm
No it is not. It is unavailable to millions in the lower quintiles.gut;1694864 wrote:Sorry, the "can't afford college" excuse is literally for stupid people. The ability to obtain affordable loans for college has been available for a long, long time.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 10, 2015 11:02pm
NO it is unaffordable if you lack the economic resources. But of course to you, it is just "let them eat cake."gut;1694865 wrote:A college degree doesn't offer the stupid social mobility. And college is only unaffordable if you're stupid.
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gut
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Jan 10, 2015 11:19pm
Even stupid people can get 10's of thousands of dollars in totally free money.isadore;1694872 wrote:NO it is unaffordable if you lack the economic resources. But of course to you, it is just "let them eat cake."
So college is only unaffordable if you're stupid AND ignorant. Actually, college is more affordable for the poor than it is the middle class.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 10, 2015 11:25pm
according to you, from the "let them eat cake." school. Well gosh a ruddies let's give the middle class a break and have free college. No it might cost you a few bucks.gut;1694873 wrote:Even stupid people can get 10's of thousands of dollars in totally free money.
So college is only unaffordable if you're stupid AND ignorant. Actually, college is more affordable for the poor than it is the middle class.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 10, 2015 11:32pm
yawn....your spiel is simply tired and ignorant. Nobody needs MORE free money to be able to afford college. "I can't afford college" is just an excuse for people who are too stupid to get a degree.isadore;1694874 wrote:according to you, from the "let them eat cake." school. Well gosh a ruddies let's give the middle class a break and have free college. No it might cost you a few bucks.
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isadore
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Jan 10, 2015 11:36pm
gosh a ruddies of course you have no problem denying those worthy young people from the lower quintiles a chance to rise. It is not you or yours, so screw'em.gut;1694875 wrote:yawn....your spiel is simply tired and ignorant. Nobody needs MORE free money to be able to afford college. "I can't afford college" is just an excuse for people who are too stupid to get a degree.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 11, 2015 1:16am
No. I have no problem with the stupid & lazy being on the bottom of the economic ladder. That's how it SHOULD work.isadore;1694876 wrote:gosh a ruddies of course you have no problem denying those worthy young people from the lower quintiles a chance to rise. It is not you or yours, so screw'em.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jan 11, 2015 7:20am
I appreciate your comments but that didn't answer my question I guess I shouldn't be surprised.isadore;1694848 wrote:gosh a ruddies the perfect excuse for the haves to continuously deny aid to those in need. The perfect excuse for selfishness. Those in need are just being so selfish hoping for aid from those that have the resources.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jan 11, 2015 7:23am
I agree with you and that's my disappointment with this whole proposal.Pick6;1694861 wrote:...
2- I dont even know if I think you should be given any years for free if you are able to pay, let alone two. What is your definition of "able to pay"? Out of pocket or having to take out loans?
I don't have a definition of "able to pay". I know those people certainly exist in the use of "everyone" by the President.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 11, 2015 7:24am
you do understand that with out the stupid and uneducated Union enrollment would drop, Democatics voting base would decrease....isadore;1694876 wrote:gosh a ruddies of course you have no problem denying those worthy young people from the lower quintiles a chance to rise. It is not you or yours, so screw'em.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 11, 2015 8:28am
the perfect argument for the greedy and selfish never to help anyone less fortunate.Con_Alma;1694846 wrote:Is it any less selfish for the "have nots" to want such subsidies?
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jan 11, 2015 8:35am
Always uplifting to see #isaderp grace a thread with his presence.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 11, 2015 8:38am
gosh a ruddies you equate being without resources in a society with declining social mobility equals being stupid and lazy. So bigoted against those without the economic advantages you have. Definitely "Let them eat cake." view of the world,gut;1694884 wrote:No. I have no problem with the stupid & lazy being on the bottom of the economic ladder. That's how it SHOULD work.
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isadore
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Jan 11, 2015 8:40am
Gosh a ruddies we have another member of the "I got mine, screw you," school.Belly35;1694895 wrote:you do understand that with out the stupid and uneducated Union enrollment would drop, Democatics voting base would decrease....
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 11, 2015 9:22am
No..LITERALLY only the stupid and lazy can't get money for college. Over $60k in free money already available, and nearly another $30k in subsidized federal loans (5% interest rate). And that's before financial aid, scholarships and any other money.isadore;1694900 wrote:gosh a ruddies you equate being without resources in a society with declining social mobility equals being stupid and lazy.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jan 11, 2015 9:24am
I am in full favor of this. It allows easy access to the type of education and training that can reduce government expenses down the road and allow students to start out their career with less student debt.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jan 11, 2015 9:56am
gut;1694875 wrote:"I can't afford college" is just an excuse for people who are too lazy to get a degree.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 11, 2015 11:11am
gosh a ruddies there are millions who are not stupid or lazy but who are frozen in the bottom income and wealth quintiles because of lack of economic resources. Free community college will give them an increased chance of upward mobility in a society that increasingly denying a real chance to better oneself.gut;1694907 wrote:No..LITERALLY only the stupid and lazy can't get money for college. Over $60k in free money already available, and nearly another $30k in subsidized federal loans (5% interest rate). And that's before financial aid, scholarships and any other money.