FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jan 27, 2015 3:46pm
And it has a nice 29 year gap at the beginningCleveland Buck;1700405 wrote:This chart is poverty among the elderly only. Though it's interesting that poverty among the elderly really hasn't improved in around 40 years either.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jan 27, 2015 7:18pm
The President has scrapped plans to tax 529 plans.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/230931-obama-drops-plan-to-tax-college-p
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/230931-obama-drops-plan-to-tax-college-p
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jan 27, 2015 8:13pm
I like the way you think. Either you take the college money (that you have to pay back a portion) and NEVER get any government handout for you or family. Or take government welfare for no more than 5 years.gut;1700402 wrote:What if we give everyone a free 4 years of tuition, room & board and then never give them another handout? That solves the poverty problem, right?
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 27, 2015 9:47pm
It was a bad idea.Con_Alma;1700476 wrote:The President has scrapped plans to tax 529 plans.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/230931-obama-drops-plan-to-tax-college-p
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Jan 27, 2015 10:56pm
What a moron! Didn't he even bother to listen to Mr. Gosh and his wisdom?!Con_Alma;1700476 wrote:The President has scrapped plans to tax 529 plans.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/230931-obama-drops-plan-to-tax-college-p
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jan 28, 2015 4:00pm
OSH;1700546 wrote:What a moron! Didn't he even bother to listen to Mr. Gosh and his wisdom?!
:laugh:
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 28, 2015 4:33pm
the selfish have saved their 529s. It has been found to be a program that benefits the haves.
Hopefully during the 115th Congress this can be undone and more importantly steps can be taken to establish post secondary education for all.
Hopefully during the 115th Congress this can be undone and more importantly steps can be taken to establish post secondary education for all.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Jan 28, 2015 5:15pm
Those that work, save, and plan are more successful than those that spend their money on cigarettes, alcohol and lottery tickets on the spur of the moment. Who ever would have imagined that?isadore;1700763 wrote:the selfish have saved their 529s. It has been found to be a program that benefits the haves.
Hopefully during the 115th Congress this can be undone and more importantly steps can be taken to establish post secondary education for all.
Are you still working on the plan to move to Denmark or Finland? They are great places, but no one wants to live there.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 28, 2015 5:51pm
gosh a ruddies, so nice to hear from the opinions of a self righteous puritan. But greed, selfish are which you prefer to endorse rather than attack. You know you actually can find alcohol abuse and gambling addiction in the upper quintiles. They just the resources to cover their sins. But you prefer any excuse to punish the poor and deny them opportunity.Al Bundy;1700782 wrote:Those that work, save, and plan are more successful than those that spend their money on cigarettes, alcohol and lottery tickets on the spur of the moment. Who ever would have imagined that?
Are you still working on the plan to move to Denmark or Finland? They are great places, but no one wants to live there.
My hope to help make American as much a land of opportunity as those nations.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 28, 2015 5:52pm
Right. With the average contribution like $150/month, and the average 529 just over $20k, it's a safe bet the majority are very middle class savers that have sacrificed to set that money aside. Exactly the people Isadore pretends to be for, but as it turns out he's only interested in taking from anyone that has something to take.Al Bundy;1700782 wrote:Those that work, save, and plan are more successful than those that spend their money on cigarettes, alcohol and lottery tickets on the spur of the moment. Who ever would have imagined that?
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Jan 28, 2015 6:16pm
I'm not endorsing or attacking anyone. People in this country have the power to make their own decisions. They just need to be prepared to live with the consequences of those decisions. There many people who start off poor and live a great life because of their decisions. There are also many people who start off rich and live a terrible life because of their decisions.isadore;1700785 wrote:gosh a ruddies, so nice to hear from the opinions of a self righteous puritan. But greed, selfish are which you prefer to endorse rather than attack. You know you actually can find alcohol abuse and gambling addiction in the upper quintiles. They just the resources to cover their sins. But you prefer any excuse to punish the poor and deny them opportunity.
My hope to help make American as much a land of opportunity as those nations.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jan 28, 2015 7:30pm
Why is greed continuously addressed on this topic????? Is it any less greedy to want others to pay for your services than it is to want to keep from paying for others? This proposal is not going to be put in to place. It won't even be brought to a vote as an attachment to a bill. It's not even on the radar screen of the legislative body. It was just white noise by the Executive Office.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 28, 2015 7:36pm
Federal Reserve’s Survey of Consumer Finances, said that more than 70 percent of the account balances for 529 plans and another option known as Coverdell Education Savings Accounts are held by families with incomes over $200,000.gut;1700787 wrote:Right. With the average contribution like $150/month, and the average 529 just over $20k, it's a safe bet the majority are very middle class savers that have sacrificed to set that money aside. Exactly the people Isadore pretends to be for, but as it turns out he's only interested in taking from anyone that has something to take.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/23/your-money/obamas-proposed-changes-to-529-college-savings-plans-would-reduce-benefits.html
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Jan 28, 2015 7:38pm
It is so selfish to care for one's kids and family by putting funds into a 529.
I can give Mr. Gosh access to my student loan debt if he wants...then he can be "fair" and help me be "socially mobile" with allowing me to utilize my income freely. Deal?
I can give Mr. Gosh access to my student loan debt if he wants...then he can be "fair" and help me be "socially mobile" with allowing me to utilize my income freely. Deal?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 28, 2015 7:41pm
lol, do you read what you write. You consistently attack and putdown those less fortunate. Money insulates many from the full effects of their bad decisionsAl Bundy;1700795 wrote:I'm not endorsing or attacking anyone. People in this country have the power to make their own decisions. They just need to be prepared to live with the consequences of those decisions. There many people who start off poor and live a great life because of their decisions. There are also many people who start off rich and live a terrible life because of their decisions.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 28, 2015 7:46pm
gosh a ruddies those greedy, selfish poor people. The 529 program was an example of government welfare for the well to do.Con_Alma;1700815 wrote:Why is greed continuously addressed on this topic????? Is it any less greedy to want others to pay for your services than it is to want to keep from paying for others? This proposal is not going to be put in to place. It won't even be brought to a vote as an attachment to a bill. It's not even on the radar screen of the legislative body. It was just white noise by the Executive Office.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 28, 2015 7:54pm
a tax dodge for the well to do. one that is beyond the resource of the lower quintilesOSH;1700818 wrote:It is so selfish to care for one's kids and family by putting funds into a 529.
I can give Mr. Gosh access to my student loan debt if he wants...then he can be "fair" and help me be "socially mobile" with allowing me to utilize my income freely. Deal?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 28, 2015 8:11pm
Why don't the supporters of this plan pool their resources and start a non-profit to fund community college for whoever wants it? Nothing is stopping them from doing so; isadore why don't you take the charge?
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jan 28, 2015 8:21pm
isadore;1700822 wrote:gosh a ruddies those greedy, selfish poor people. The 529 program was an example of government welfare for the well to do.
So now youre calling the poor greedy??? Is one more greedy than the other...those who want others to pay for their services as compared to those who don't want to?
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Jan 28, 2015 9:15pm
Just an FYI for those that care, Mr. Gosh has not sent me a PM or offered to help pay for my student loans that are crippling me and keeping me from "social mobility."
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Jan 28, 2015 9:21pm
How many of those where it is "beyond the resource" have cable tv, cell phones, and go out to eat? If they put away $50 a month compounding at 7% interest, they would have over $21,000 by the time the kid turns 18. That is more than the average 529 account has. That is less than $2 per day.isadore;1700826 wrote:a tax dodge for the well to do. one that is beyond the resource of the lower quintiles
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 28, 2015 9:38pm
gosh a ruddies it is so easy to be self righteous and tell them what to do with their wealthAl Bundy;1700859 wrote:How many of those where it is "beyond the resource" have cable tv, cell phones, and go out to eat? If they put away $50 a month compounding at 7% interest, they would have over $21,000 by the time the kid turns 18. That is more than the average 529 account has. That is less than $2 per day.
as of 2012 the maximum income for the lowest quintile was $20, 599, the mean $11,900 second lowest max $39,764 the mean $29,696
The lowest income for the top 5% $191,156
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=330
70% of those with 529 accounts $200,000
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 28, 2015 9:40pm
gosh a ruddies, if you had just saved $50 a monrh, you would be living in clover now, according to Al BundyOSH;1700850 wrote:Just an FYI for those that care, Mr. Gosh has not sent me a PM or offered to help pay for my student loans that are crippling me and keeping me from "social mobility."
Are you out of one of those lower quintiles?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 28, 2015 9:41pm
no I am calling the poor, people in needCon_Alma;1700835 wrote:So now youre calling the poor greedy??? Is one more greedy than the other...those who want others to pay for their services as compared to those who don't want to?
and you disingenuous
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jan 28, 2015 9:45pm
hopefully under the next Congress we will be able to use your resources to build a network of them.sleeper;1700828 wrote:Why don't the supporters of this plan pool their resources and start a non-profit to fund community college for whoever wants it? Nothing is stopping them from doing so; isadore why don't you take the charge?