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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 6, 2015 2:34pm
Smoltz, Biggio, the big unit and Pedro make it.
Surprised by any?
Surprised by any?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 6, 2015 2:36pm
Not really. Fucking Tribe...."we can't trade Jaret Wright for Pedro.....he's gonna be a STAR!" :rolleyes:
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 6, 2015 2:38pm
I'm not surprised that any one of those guys made it...I am surprised that all 4 made it. Good for Biggio.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 6, 2015 2:41pm
Nope. After Biggio finished 1 vote short last year I figured he was a lock. I know sometimes guys dont vote for someone again if more candidates are eligible (stupid). But, I figured more people would vote for him this year
Smoltz was a pretty much lock.
Pedro and Johnson...probably the best LHP and RHP the last 25 years, with apologies to Greg Maddux.
Smoltz was a pretty much lock.
Pedro and Johnson...probably the best LHP and RHP the last 25 years, with apologies to Greg Maddux.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 6, 2015 2:45pm
^^^of the three pitchers, Smoltz got the least amount of votes.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 6, 2015 2:48pm
Yeah, thats a given. I didnt look, but would guess Randy got the most (around 97%), Pedro around 91%, Smoltzy at like 83% and Biggio around 80%.HitsRus;1693381 wrote:^^^of the three pitchers, Smoltz got the least amount of votes.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 6, 2015 2:59pm
Pedro was just plain nasty for a few seasons. Smoltz had the longevity and thrived as a starter and closer and to think, atlanta only won one WS with the HOF on the staff.....
Didnt realize that Biggio and Jeter's regular season stats were pretty similar.
Biggio was the epitome of a team player in playing CF, second and catching. Dont have an issue with any of them.
Randy Johnson...plain nasty for a very long time. I think Chapman could be like him if he were to become a starter
Didnt realize that Biggio and Jeter's regular season stats were pretty similar.
Biggio was the epitome of a team player in playing CF, second and catching. Dont have an issue with any of them.
Randy Johnson...plain nasty for a very long time. I think Chapman could be like him if he were to become a starter
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Jan 6, 2015 3:12pm
I'm not surprised. I expect all 4 of them to get in. And they are all very deserving.
Laley are you sure you didn't look
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Laley are you sure you didn't look
.| Player | Votes | Pct |
|---|---|---|
| Randy Johnson | 534 | 97.3 |
| Pedro Martinez | 500 | 91.1 |
| John Smoltz | 455 | 82.9 |
| Craig Biggio | 454 | 82.7 |
| Mike Piazza | 384 | 69.9 |
| Jeff Bagwell | 306 | 55.7 |
| Tim Raines | 302 | 55.0 |
| Curt Schilling | 215 | 39.2 |
| Roger Clemens | 206 | 37.5 |
| Barry Bonds | 202 | 36.8 |
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 6, 2015 3:17pm
Lol DAMN! Nailed em. Biggio is higher than I expected though.Iliketurtles;1693397 wrote:I'm not surprised. I expect all 4 of them to get in. And they are all very deserving.
Laley are you sure you didn't look
Player Votes Pct Randy Johnson 534 97.3 Pedro Martinez 500 91.1 John Smoltz 455 82.9 Craig Biggio 454 82.7 Mike Piazza 384 69.9 Jeff Bagwell 306 55.7 Tim Raines 302 55.0 Curt Schilling 215 39.2 Roger Clemens 206 37.5 Barry Bonds 202 36.8
I did get help when I read Pedro "got shit on" on Twitter. Figured that meant he didnt get as many votes.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Jan 6, 2015 3:19pm
Haha I'm not surprised I figured Pedro would only get around 500. It sucks the Big Unit only got 97.3%. I really wanted him to get the most ever he is my favorite pitcher of all time.Laley23;1693404 wrote:Lol DAMN! Nailed em. Biggio is higher than I expected though.
I did get help when I read Pedro "got shit on" on Twitter. Figured that meant he didnt get as many votes.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 6, 2015 3:23pm
yeah, you were so close I just assumed you looked it up before posting...Laley23;1693404 wrote:Lol DAMN! Nailed em. Biggio is higher than I expected though.
I did get help when I read Pedro "got shit on" on Twitter. Figured that meant he didnt get as many votes.
Pedro took a lot of shit when he pushed down old man zimmer, but man all he did was help push him aside, and down, when he came after Pedro! His biggest thing was only like 215 or so wins (but only 100 losses).
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 6, 2015 3:24pm
I was a moron to many by saying Biggio would make the HOF back on the huddle probably around 10 years ago
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 6, 2015 3:26pm
I wish Raines and Mussina would make it.
Hate how Bonds is lumped with Clemens
Pedro said the toughest hitter he had to face was Edgar Martinez
Hate how Bonds is lumped with Clemens
Pedro said the toughest hitter he had to face was Edgar Martinez
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 6, 2015 3:27pm
I read that, and just had to LOL at how good Pedro was when I saw Edgar was 3/25 against him.Ironman92;1693415 wrote: Pedro said the toughest hitter he had to face was Edgar Martinez
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 6, 2015 3:56pm
I remember the discussions like that where many thought Biggio wasnt worthy of it and that is kind of why I asked if anyone was surprised. I thought some would say he wasnt worthy because of past discussion on the boards.Ironman92;1693412 wrote:I was a moron to many by saying Biggio would make the HOF back on the huddle probably around 10 years ago
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 6, 2015 4:12pm
He said Edgar didn't fare well but he least desired facing Edgar and then Edgar would make him work and work and work and he had to use multiple higher speed fastballs he didn't want to throw because it would wear him down.Laley23;1693416 wrote:I read that, and just had to LOL at how good Pedro was when I saw Edgar was 3/25 against him.
He said on air on MLB Network that having to face Edgar would always piss him off lol.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jan 6, 2015 4:29pm
That's because Biggio is the type of player easiest to argue against: cumulative stats without any perceived years of "pure dominance"Ironman92;1693412 wrote:I was a moron to many by saying Biggio would make the HOF back on the huddle probably around 10 years ago
I'm not making that argument, I just know it's the most prevalent one regarding him. I'm all for Biggio in the Hall.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 6, 2015 4:47pm
Yeah...knew it too but I knew his cumulative numbers would be too high and mixed with his one team, his main position and willing to change positions and his style of play would definitely win over enough voters.lhslep134;1693445 wrote:That's because Biggio is the type of player easiest to argue against: cumulative stats without any perceived years of "pure dominance"
I'm not making that argument, I just know it's the most prevalent one regarding him. I'm all for Biggio in the Hall.
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Sonofanump
Jan 6, 2015 5:01pm
Is Piazza getting steroids/small park backlash? I am pretty sure his stats are better than Bench, Fisk, Dickey. I'd think Piazza over Biggio for HOF, not that Biggio is not deserving.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 6, 2015 5:14pm
The crazy thing about Piazza was he was drafted in a round that doesnt even exist anymore...the 60's, as a favor, and family friend to Lasorda. It is amazing he made it where he did.Sonofanump;1693469 wrote:Is Piazza getting steroids/small park backlash? I am pretty sure his stats are better than Bench, Fisk, Dickey. I'd think Piazza over Biggio for HOF, not that Biggio is not deserving.
Spock
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Jan 6, 2015 5:33pm
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Spock
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Jan 6, 2015 5:33pm
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Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 6, 2015 5:54pm
I hate that I do but I give Piazza some steroid backlash....if held at gunpoint to guess correctly...I would guess he did.Sonofanump;1693469 wrote:Is Piazza getting steroids/small park backlash? I am pretty sure his stats are better than Bench, Fisk, Dickey. I'd think Piazza over Biggio for HOF, not that Biggio is not deserving.
I always liked him but believe he juiced.
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Jan 6, 2015 6:31pm
I don't like biggio making it. He was above average for a dozen years but never great. I think greatness should make HOF. I think a GREAT player for 5 years > Good player for 20.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 6, 2015 6:56pm
My favorite Randy Johnson moment 
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