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thavoice

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Apr 29, 2015 1:52 PM
I can see that being true....
As we said days ago.....
MISINFORMATION rules the daythe closer you get.
Apr 29, 2015 1:52pm
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Apr 29, 2015 1:52 PM
robj55;1725195 wrote:Sounds like a cop out to use his arm as an excuse. He doesn't read the defense well and makes poor decisions, that's a huge red flag. Some of the interceptions he threw were laughable. Couple that with the maturity issues and he has bust written all over him.
If you don't think Winston reads defenses well you don't have a clue. Take some time and research how Jimbo Fisher structured his offense. Winston had complete control over reading and adjusting to the defense both pre and post snap. As a coach you don't hand over the reins like that, and go 27-1 over 2 years doing so, with a QB who can't read defenses well.
Apr 29, 2015 1:52pm
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Apr 29, 2015 1:54 PM
I've heard everything from "Winston is the most NFL ready QB since Andrew Luck" to "Winston will be the next Jamarcus Russell." Time will tell.....
Apr 29, 2015 1:54pm
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Apr 29, 2015 1:56 PM
There is a reason Winston is still going to be the first player taken even with all of his off field shit.
Apr 29, 2015 1:56pm
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thavoice

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Apr 29, 2015 2:00 PM
lhslep134;1725205 wrote:If you don't think Winston reads defenses well you don't have a clue. Take some time and research how Jimbo Fisher structured his offense. Winston had complete control over reading and adjusting to the defense both pre and post snap. As a coach you don't hand over the reins like that, and go 27-1 over 2 years doing so, with a QB who can't read defenses well.
Ok.
Maybe he reads defenses just fine.

Then he just makes bad throws throwing 18 INTs last season.
Apr 29, 2015 2:00pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:00 PM
BR1986FB;1725206 wrote:I've heard everything from "Winston is the most NFL ready QB since Andrew Luck" to "Winston will be the next Jamarcus Russell." Time will tell.....
Because he is the most NFL ready QB since Luck and he could be the next Jamarcus if he doesn't lose his immaturity. His QB'ing ability is a separate analysis from his maturity level.

I don't think any reputable source thinks Winston is going to fail because of what transpires on the field; that sort of take seems to be coming just from Rob and thavoice.
Apr 29, 2015 2:00pm
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thavoice

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Apr 29, 2015 2:01 PM
He also is being compared to Roethlisberger.

He is already halfway there for that comparison......
Apr 29, 2015 2:01pm
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BR1986FB

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Apr 29, 2015 2:01 PM
Rotinaj;1725207 wrote:There is a reason Winston is still going to be the first player taken even with all of his off field shit.
Agreed. I've heard him most compared to Roethlisberger. Not sure if that was because of his talent or because of the rape allegations.
Apr 29, 2015 2:01pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:03 PM
Rotinaj;1725207 wrote:There is a reason Winston is still going to be the first player taken even with all of his off field shit.
Nah. 18 INTs bro. He's good for at least 36 INTs next year. College statzzz

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Apr 29, 2015 2:03pm
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thavoice

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Apr 29, 2015 2:03 PM
BR1986FB;1725212 wrote:Agreed. I've heard him most compared to Roethlisberger. Not sure if that was because of his talent or because of the rape allegations.
He prefers it to be called "aggressive dating".
Apr 29, 2015 2:03pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:04 PM
Rotinaj;1725207 wrote:There is a reason Winston is still going to be the first player taken even with all of his off field shit.
Scouts miss badly all the time, every year.
Apr 29, 2015 2:04pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:04 PM
thavoice;1725215 wrote:He prefers it to be called "aggressive dating".
Lures them in with the promise of a crab leg dinner?
Apr 29, 2015 2:04pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:06 PM
Winston sucks.
Apr 29, 2015 2:06pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:07 PM
robj55;1725216 wrote:Scouts miss badly all the time, every year.
Your point runs counter to every scout's report about Winston's on the field ability. You literally made up an argument that he can't read defenses well when there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.





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Apr 29, 2015 2:07pm
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thavoice

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Apr 29, 2015 2:12 PM
lhslep134;1725221 wrote:Your point runs counter to every scout's report about Winston's on the field ability. You literally made up an argument that he can't read defenses well when there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.





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Not really. They do miss often enough. Also...enough guys who dont get drafted at all make it. That is a total miss by scouts

Leaf and Manning were 1 and 1a. Turned out a little bit different!
Apr 29, 2015 2:12pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:19 PM
thavoice;1725222 wrote:Not really. They do miss often enough.
That has nothing to do with my post. Scouts missing has nothing to do with my post. Rob making up that Winston doesn't read defenses well is the only reference I'm making in my post.
Apr 29, 2015 2:19pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:22 PM
lhslep134;1725223 wrote:That has nothing to do with my post. Scouts missing has nothing to do with my post. Rob making up that Winston doesn't read defenses well is the only reference I'm making in my post.
I didn't make up anything, he had a ton of terrible reads/throws/interceptions and more that should have been intercepted that were dropped. If I'm a team drafting a QB that would scare me. I don't care if a guy can make all the throws, if you can't make the right reads and take care of the football I wouldn't take you, turnovers lose football games and get guys fired.
Apr 29, 2015 2:22pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:25 PM
robj55;1725224 wrote:I didn't make up anything, he had a ton of terrible reads/throws/interceptions and more that should have been intercepted that were dropped. If I'm a team drafting a QB that would scare me. I don't care if a guy can make all the throws, if you can't make the right reads and take care of the football I wouldn't take you, turnovers love football games and get guys fired.
Jay Cutler, anyone?
Apr 29, 2015 2:25pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:27 PM
robj55;1725224 wrote:I didn't make up anything, he had a ton of terrible reads/throws/interceptions and more that should have been intercepted that were dropped. If I'm a team drafting a QB that would scare me. I don't care if a guy can make all the throws, if you can't make the right reads and take care of the football I wouldn't take you, turnovers lose football games and get guys fired.
Did you watch him last year, their title winning season? I'm gonna go with no.
Apr 29, 2015 2:27pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:30 PM
Rob just stop. The entirety of the Seminoles 27-1 run was premised offensively on Jameis' ability to read defenses pre and post snap. That's why he's considered a vastly more "pro-ready" prospect than Mariota.

The more you think you're right the worse you continue to look.
Apr 29, 2015 2:30pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:33 PM
lhslep134;1725228 wrote:Rob just stop. The entirety of the Seminoles 27-1 run was premised offensively on Jameis' ability to read defenses. That's why he's considered a vastly more "pro-ready" prospect than Mariota.

The more you continue to think you're right the worse you're going to look.
That record means nothing, people keep pointing to the fact that he was a winner. For one they played a very weak schedule and struggled against bad teams, and two he was surrounding by an immense amount of talent, more than anyone else in the country. He's considered more pro ready because of the offense that Mariota played in, it's that simple.
Apr 29, 2015 2:33pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:34 PM
Couldn't disagree more with rob.

If there's one thing that isn't in question with Winston it's his ability to read a defense.


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Apr 29, 2015 2:34pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:36 PM
It's a lost cause. The guy doesn't get it.
Apr 29, 2015 2:36pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:36 PM
SportsAndLady;1725230 wrote:Couldn't disagree more with rob.

If there's one thing that isn't in question with Winston it's his ability to read a defense.


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That's fine that you disagree but did you see the amount of bad throws that he made last year? That's a major reg flag. If you're great at reading a defense you don't make those throws, period. One or two I could see, he had that times ten.
Apr 29, 2015 2:36pm
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Apr 29, 2015 2:39 PM
SportsAndLady;1725230 wrote:Couldn't disagree more with rob.

If there's one thing that isn't in question with Winston it's his ability to read a defense.


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What do you make of 18 ints last season? Just curious.
Apr 29, 2015 2:39pm