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Apr 16, 2015 2:58 PM
Commander of Awesome;1721990 wrote:I haven't read any accounts on jff other than he's in rehab/out of rehab. Gilbert I've heard was a maturity issue, and he's been working out with haden in the off season.
I would say manning up and going to rehab and admitting you have a problem means you are maturing.

Anyone else think pettine is going to have that big second year jump? It's kind of weird having the same front office and coaching staff two years in a row
Apr 16, 2015 2:58pm
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Apr 16, 2015 3:02 PM
DeyDurkie5;1722088 wrote: Anyone else think pettine is going to have that big second year jump? It's kind of weird having the same front office and coaching staff two years in a row
Define "big second year jump?" If you mean in wins, no. If you mean by how he manages a game, yes.
Apr 16, 2015 3:02pm
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Apr 16, 2015 4:32 PM
BR1986FB;1722090 wrote:Define "big second year jump?" If you mean in wins, no. If you mean by how he manages a game, yes.
Wins, game management, the whole shabang.
Apr 16, 2015 4:32pm
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Apr 16, 2015 4:36 PM
DeyDurkie5;1722108 wrote:Wins, game management, the whole shabang.
I don't see a jump in wins when they over achieved last season as long as McCown is QB. Only way it happens is if JFF is behind center and he is everything anyone hoped he could be.
Apr 16, 2015 4:36pm
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Apr 16, 2015 4:38 PM
Kiper did a 3rd mock today.

Browns:
Danny Shelton
Todd Gurley
Devin Smith
Brett Hundley
Apr 16, 2015 4:38pm
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Apr 16, 2015 4:41 PM
Pick6;1722109 wrote:I don't see a jump in wins when they over achieved last season as long as McCown is QB. Only way it happens is if JFF is behind center and he is everything anyone hoped he could be.
I think they definitely get above 7 wins.
Apr 16, 2015 4:41pm
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Apr 16, 2015 5:03 PM
Pick6;1722109 wrote:I don't see a jump in wins when they over achieved last season as long as McCown is QB.
Which one of last season's 7 wins was a sign of over-achieving? I don't think we over-achieved at all; 7 wins could have been reasonably expected if you were assured that Pettine would be a competent coach, which was the biggest question mark.

I'm expecting at least 7 wins this year.
Apr 16, 2015 5:03pm
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Apr 16, 2015 5:54 PM
lhslep134;1722116 wrote:Which one of last season's 7 wins was a sign of over-achieving? I don't think we over-achieved at all; 7 wins could have been reasonably expected if you were assured that Pettine would be a competent coach, which was the biggest question mark.

I'm expecting at least 7 wins this year.
Don't fucking punt to the colts there's 1 more win. Don't run the same fucking running play over and over against the bills, or play gilbert 1st game against steelers that's 2 more wins
Apr 16, 2015 5:54pm
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Apr 16, 2015 6:00 PM
I can't see more than 5 wins if McCown is the QB.
Apr 16, 2015 6:00pm
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Apr 16, 2015 6:14 PM
lhslep134;1722116 wrote:Which one of last season's 7 wins was a sign of over-achieving? I don't think we over-achieved at all; 7 wins could have been reasonably expected if you were assured that Pettine would be a competent coach, which was the biggest question mark.

I'm expecting at least 7 wins this year.
Cinci and Pitt come to mind. I also don't think many expected Atlants and New Orleans to be as bad as they were. Pat McManamon predicted what he said was a "generous" 6 wins, and other ESPN writers predicted a 1 win season. They definitely blew some games which is par for the course, but in the aggregate they won more than most expected.

There are only two ways I see them getting to 7: McCown lights it up like he did with Chicago a few years ago or JFF balls out. Both are most likely long shots.
Apr 16, 2015 6:14pm
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Apr 16, 2015 6:23 PM
Pick6;1722130 wrote:Cinci and Pitt come to mind. I also don't think many expected Atlants and New Orleans to be as bad as they were. Pat McManamon predicted what he said was a "generous" 6 wins, and other ESPN writers predicted a 1 win season. They definitely blew some games which is par for the course, but in the aggregate they won more than most expected.

There are only two ways I see them getting to 7: McCown lights it up like he did with Chicago a few years ago or JFF balls out. Both are most likely long shots.
Yeah, because the dumbass media that throws shit on the wall predicted the browns to be horrible (really did a lot of research there!) means the browns overachieved. If you are holding the NFC South against the Browns, you might as well say all of the AFCN over achieved (which could be a legitimate argument considering their performance in the playoffs). As for the Steelers and Cinci, if the browns didn't shit down their legs the first half of week 1 we would have seen two blow outs against pittsburgh in our favor, and cinci we have split with them the past 3 years. If the Browns don't lose Mack, then they might possibly overachieve with a 9-7 record, but 7-9 definitely was not overachieving.
Apr 16, 2015 6:23pm
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Apr 16, 2015 6:25 PM
Pick6;1722130 wrote:
There are only two ways I see them getting to 7: McCown lights it up like he did with Chicago a few years ago or JFF balls out. Both are most likely long shots.
And my point is we got to 7 with Hoyer's below league average quarterbacking (-5.3% DVOA, ranked 26th). We don't need above average quarterbacking, i.e. McCown lighting it up or JFF balling out, to win 7 games.
Apr 16, 2015 6:25pm
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Apr 16, 2015 7:05 PM
Mulva;1722127 wrote:I can't see more than 5 wins if McCown is the QB.
We'd have more wins with no QB than with mccown.
Apr 16, 2015 7:05pm
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Apr 16, 2015 7:31 PM
HighRoller74;1722110 wrote:Kiper did a 3rd mock today.

Browns:
Danny Shelton
Todd Gurley
Devin Smith
Brett Hundley
That makes sense except Gurley at #19, if it said OL there it would appear plausible.
Apr 16, 2015 7:31pm
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Apr 16, 2015 7:33 PM
I would be happy with that draft if you replace Gurley with somebody else. Preferably a tackle.
Apr 16, 2015 7:33pm
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Apr 16, 2015 7:42 PM
like_that;1722161 wrote:I would be happy with that draft if you replace Gurley with somebody else. Preferably a tackle.
FWIW, he said he went BPA instead of reaching for a prospect. And also FWIW, McShay called taking Gurley at 19, the worst pick in all 3 rounds that Kiper did.
Apr 16, 2015 7:42pm
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Apr 16, 2015 7:50 PM
Commander of Awesome;1722149 wrote:We'd have more wins with no QB than with mccown.
Agreed. I'd rather play defense for 60 minutes.
Apr 16, 2015 7:50pm
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Apr 16, 2015 10:51 PM
Mulva;1722165 wrote:Agreed. I'd rather play defense for 60 minutes.
Mccown puts their team in better scoring position. He's going backwards or turning it over
Apr 16, 2015 10:51pm
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Apr 17, 2015 8:28 AM
lhslep134;1722133 wrote:And my point is we got to 7 with Hoyer's below league average quarterbacking (-5.3% DVOA, ranked 26th). We don't need above average quarterbacking, i.e. McCown lighting it up or JFF balling out, to win 7 games.
Perhaps against last years schedule. I think Mulva's five wins is generous if McCown is the QB. I predicted 3 a few months back and I'll stick with that until I see what shakes out at QB. If they land a stud QB, that 3 could go to 9, or so.
Apr 17, 2015 8:28am
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Apr 17, 2015 8:32 AM
This team has a decent amount of talent. Not enough, without a good QB, to make the playoffs, but enough talent to win more than 3 fucking games.

6 wins MINIMUM with a ceiling of 10. Thinking we'll go 7-9 again.
Apr 17, 2015 8:32am
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Apr 17, 2015 10:11 AM
Looks like some maturing to me
Apr 17, 2015 10:11am
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Apr 17, 2015 10:17 AM
Pick6;1722256 wrote:Looks like some maturing to me
Could very well be but I don't take a lot of stock in those things. Most times they are written by a spokesperson for the player. I'm not singling out Manziel with that comment as it seems it happens with many players when they come out with a statement.
Apr 17, 2015 10:17am
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Apr 17, 2015 10:23 AM
Pick6;1722256 wrote:Looks like some maturing to me
I read this as "I realize I was terrible my first year, please don't cut me because I had personal problems that impeded my on the football field ability".

Basically, I'm still on the cut Manziel before it's too late train.
Apr 17, 2015 10:23am
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Apr 17, 2015 10:26 AM
sleeper;1722260 wrote:I read this as "I realize I was terrible my first year, please don't cut me because I had personal problems that impeded my on the football field ability".

Basically, I'm still on the cut Manziel before it's too late train.
Before its too late for what?
Apr 17, 2015 10:26am