Laley23;1681907 wrote:Cause none of the ones I can think of have anywhere close to the black population as the USA.

Oh no you di'un't

BRF;1681913 wrote:Interesting idea.

Meanwhile.....back at the ranch (old saying)......

I imagine good old CC got a chewing out at work.

he didn't get anything. hoax

I Wear Pants;1681880 wrote:It would provide evidence and protect cops from criminals or false accusations more than it would civilians from criminal cops I imagine.

I don't think there's a particularly high percentage of cops who do shitty things. I just think that the ones that do need to be punished severely and held accountable for their abuse of power and authority. Currently the system isn't good at that.

Cameras help deal with both criminals and bad cops. Win for everyone and they aren't particularly expensive.

Sounds like fun.

http://personofinterest.wikia.com/wiki/Samaritan

SnotBubbles;1681922 wrote:My god, I really didn't think anyone was stupid enough to believe that photo. On the Internet: real.

Ha! I've seen that pic all over the Internet and I didn't think it could be real. Thank you!

I Wear Pants;1681909 wrote:
They have their own minorities that are more likely to commit crimes. Still don't kill as many people.

The criminal activity is a valid question but it brings up the bigger topic of what we consider criminal activity, how we deal with it, and how that kind of encourages bad behavior. It also begs the question of why we have such a comparatively high rate of crime when we're supposed to be America: super freedom land of opportunity and justice.

Im not being a dick...I genuinely want to know which countries your'e speaking of?

Ive visited a lot of 1st world countries...they do not have a whole lot of minorities that I see. So I would be curious to look into it more if you give me the countries you're speaking of.

ernest_t_bass;1681929 wrote:he didn't get anything. hoax

Is he officially calling it a hoax? I didn't get that impression from the e-mail you posted. Plz respond soon this is important so I can stop sifting through random posts about cops.

Laley23;1681944 wrote:Im not being a dick...I genuinely want to know which countries your'e speaking of?

Ive visited a lot of 1st world countries...they do not have a whole lot of minorities that I see. So I would be curious to look into it more if you give me the countries you're speaking of.

Europe has a quickly growing Muslim minority and has issues with Eastern European ethnic groups. It's not as severe in general as it is in the US but that's likely explainable because of the lack of such a length history of inequality with those groups. Not because Europeans are inherently more tolerant or anything, it's just those demographics weren't historically there. We've had a large population of black people for an extremely long time and for a lot of it had institutionalized discrimination so it makes sense that there's more animosity between us than with Germans and Muslim minorities or Easter Europeans.

And even ignoring comparisons to other countries because that can be difficult to even out because of different cultures, laws, etc we've got issues. Looking at most crime metrics we see a decrease in crime in almost every category over the last 20 years. Yet if you look at our arrest rates and rates of police killings you'd think things have been getting worse.

More arrests is equaling less crime? Seems to be working!!

Laley23;1681958 wrote:More arrests is equaling less crime? Seems to be working.

Not really, incarceration for non-violent and other small things like most drug offenses just leads to recidivism. I'd be more apt to side with it having more to do with overall economic conditions improving and maybe a bit to do with what Levitt proposed in Freakonomics which is that Roe v Wade's effects had time to appear. Because if it was just putting more people in jail leads to less crime we'd see low crime rates in other countries that do the same. Generally we don't think of Russia, China, and Iran as low crime nations though.

Id also like to know the crime in those other countries that is unreported. I bet it is sky fucking high in Western Europe.

I Wear Pants;1681962 wrote:Not really, incarceration for non-violent and other small things like most drug offenses just leads to recidivism. I'd be more apt to side with it having more to do with overall economic conditions improving and maybe a bit to do with what Levitt proposed in Freakonomics which is that Roe v Wade's effects had time to appear. Because if it was just putting more people in jail leads to less crime we'd see low crime rates in other countries that do the same. Generally we don't think of Russia, China, and Iran as low crime nations though.

what are your thoughts on stop and frisk and broken windows theory etc?

Laley23;1681965 wrote:Id also like to know the crime in those other countries that is unreported. I bet it is sky fucking high in Western Europe.

the amount of countries he can point to is very very small. the grass always seems greener on the other side.

Glory Days;1681973 wrote:what are your thoughts on stop and frisk and broken windows theory etc?

Don't know enough about them to form an intelligent opinion. Probably still wouldn't be intelligent if I did know about them but c'est la vie.

Laley23;1681965 wrote:Id also like to know the crime in those other countries that is unreported. I bet it is sky fucking high in Western Europe.

Why would you think unreported crime in Western Europe is particularly high? (Genuinely curious here)

friendfromlowry;1681945 wrote:Is he officially calling it a hoax? I didn't get that impression from the e-mail you posted. Plz respond soon this is important so I can stop sifting through random posts about cops.

He was dumb enough to send me his phone number... so I'll message him and find out.

However, I guess that makes me just as dumb...

Can the shit show BT the politards go somewhere else?

I support racial profiling because it seems to work. When black people stop committing a majority of crimes in this country, then they will stop being racially profiled. If black people are mad that they get stopped more than white people, perhaps they should get mad at the black people that keep committing crimes.

But no, its white people's fault. When accountability, education, and responsibility are deemed "not black enough", the problem will forever remain in black culture regardless of all the shit white people try to do to help them(AA, welfare, anti-discrimination laws, etc).

sleeper;1682039 wrote:I support racial profiling because it seems to work. .

If you're a cop in a predominantly black community, is it really even possible to "profile"?

Laley23;1681958 wrote:More arrests is equaling less crime? Seems to be working!!

Are you familiar with Broken Windows theory and how it was applied to the subway system in NYC in the early 90s? Gladwell talks about it in the tipping point. More arrests did lead to less crime.

Glory Days;1681974 wrote:the amount of countries he can point to is very very small. the grass always seems greener on the other side.

Based on my time in England, Italy (and Cousin living here for 6 months), Spain and France...there is a lot of petty crime that they just do nothing about. Stealing from groceries/markets/etc is 100% ok.

The pickpocketing is RAMPANT. It isnt so much the big stuff, but, Id bet a lot of American crimes get escalated when the petty criminal is caught and tries to run/whatever.

They also are much better with their alcohol in W. Europe than in America. I still contend it comes from starting at age 12, so they dont over-endulge as much. But, how often is alcohol related in America Crimes?

EDIT: and in England/Italy...the hooligans of the soccer scene are pretty much the mafia in daylight. They do what they do, no one does anything about it. Watched a riot and a beating in front of the cops in England. They just break it up casually and everyone goes on their way.

lhslep134;1682089 wrote:Are you familiar with Broken Windows theory and how it was applied to the subway system in NYC in the early 90s? Gladwell talks about it in the tipping point. More arrests did lead to less crime.

I am not, but am curious.

gut;1682081 wrote:If you're a cop in a predominantly black community, is it really even possible to "profile"?

If the "suspicion" is founded on a notion stemming from the racial background of the citizen, even in an area where that racial background is predominant, sure.

This topic seems to have taken a bit of an odd turn.

Laley23;1682093 wrote:I am not, but am curious.

Basically broken windows (or in the case Gladwell detailed, graffiti on the subway) leads to the subconscious mindset that since other smaller crimes are OK (like fare-beating, more graffiti, muggings), the pervasiveness of those crimes eventually results in more serious crimes.

By cutting down on the graffiti and the small crimes by arresting a shit-ton of people for fare-beating, by arresting a shit-ton of people for other small things like public urination, you chip away on the bigger mindset that you can get away with crime.

lhslep134;1682101 wrote:Basically broken windows (or in the case Gladwell detailed, graffiti on the subway) leads to the subconscious mindset that since other smaller crimes are OK (like fare-beating, more graffiti, muggings), the pervasiveness of those crimes eventually results in more serious crimes.

By cutting down on the graffiti and the small crimes by arresting a shit-ton of people for fare-beating, by arresting a shit-ton of people for other small things like public urination, you chip away on the bigger mindset that you can get away with crime.

I have always been of this belief. Never knew there was a study done.

Thanks.

Laley23;1682104 wrote:I have always been of this belief. Never knew there was a study done.

Thanks.

I have Tipping Point on PDF. If you'd like me to email me a WordDoc with the excerpt (it's not that long) just PM me.

lhslep134;1682101 wrote: By cutting down on the graffiti and the small crimes by arresting a shit-ton of people for fare-beating, by arresting a shit-ton of people for other small things like public urination, you chip away on the bigger mindset that you can get away with crime.

It's a compelling theory, but I think it had more to do with more police - it's not like they ever just looked the other way on most of that stuff, there just weren't enough cops to be around to see it and arrest people.

Also, there was a similar nationwide drop in crime over that period...that's the Freakanomics study already mentioned.

On the other hand, you can look today at NY and it has less(?) violent crime than Chicago despite being 2-3X the size. And part of what has been cited as driving that in Chicago was success in taking out the major gang syndicates, which created a power struggle among hundreds of smaller gangs to fill the void.