Mulva;1681830 wrote:I didn't mean that I don't think it's possible that his "persona" was an act. I'm fully aware that it happens. I have no way of knowing if that's the case here or not. It's not uncommon for people to censor themselves in public out of self-preservation, but use the semi-anonymity of the internet to say the ignorant shit that they really do believe but can't get away with saying "in real life".

But either way that's a tangent... the initial thought that led me to post that was that I don't really get pointing it out like some kind of a character defense. If you think about it, all the whole thing being an act would mean is that in "real life" he's a grown man who spent a shitload of time pretending to be a racist and an asshole on the internet. That really doesn't make him seem like less of a douchebag to me, just a different douchebag.

This is a good point. I don't see many people upset about not having anonymity online when it's something positive about them. I only see it when people are upset they were caught being an asshole and they put on their moral outrage face over the apparent violation of their privacy to try to change the conversation.

Putting on a mask (real or virtual) shouldn't make you feel like you can be the biggest asshole you can be. But that's what a ton of people use the internet for.

sleeper;1681605 wrote:See Con_Alma, isadore, like_that, sherm03, etc.

lol fuck you, I am not in the same category.

I Wear Pants;1681838 wrote:This is a good point. I don't see many people upset about not having anonymity online when it's something positive about them. I only see it when people are upset they were caught being an asshole and they put on their moral outrage face over the apparent violation of their privacy to try to change the conversation.

Putting on a mask (real or virtual) shouldn't make you feel like you can be the biggest asshole you can be. But that's what a ton of people use the internet for.

Not really a surprising response coming from the guy who wants big brother to have a camera on everybody.

like_that;1681867 wrote:lol fuck you, I am not in the same category.

Not really a surprising response coming from the guy who wants big brother to have a camera on everybody.

You're funny. You think I have some sort of love affair with big brother yet you are perfectly happy with there not being a perfectly reasonable amount of accountability for the government agents we give guns and the legal authority to use them on civilians.

Mulva;1681830 wrote:I didn't mean that I don't think it's possible that his "persona" was an act. I'm fully aware that it happens. I have no way of knowing if that's the case here or not. It's not uncommon for people to censor themselves in public out of self-preservation, but use the semi-anonymity of the internet to say the ignorant shit that they really do believe but can't get away with saying "in real life".

But either way that's a tangent... the initial thought that led me to post that was that I don't really get pointing it out like some kind of a character defense. If you think about it, all the whole thing being an act would mean is that in "real life" he's a grown man who spent a shitload of time pretending to be a racist and an asshole on the internet. That really doesn't make him seem like less of a douchebag to me, just a different douchebag.

Definitely see your point there. That's a valid observation.

I Wear Pants;1681870 wrote:You're funny. You think I have some sort of love affair with big brother yet you are perfectly happy with there not being a perfectly reasonable amount of accountability for the government agents we give guns and the legal authority to use them on civilians.

I'll share your concern when law-abiding, cooperative citizens start getting gun downed by police.

I Wear Pants;1681870 wrote:You're funny. You think I have some sort of love affair with big brother yet you are perfectly happy with there not being a perfectly reasonable amount of accountability for the government agents we give guns and the legal authority to use them on civilians.

Just because you eat up these bad cop stories does not mean there is no accountability. Sorry, it's a huge waste of money.

like_that;1681877 wrote:Just because you eat up these bad cop stories does not mean there is no accountability. Sorry, it's a huge waste of money.

It would provide evidence and protect cops from criminals or false accusations more than it would civilians from criminal cops I imagine.

I don't think there's a particularly high percentage of cops who do shitty things. I just think that the ones that do need to be punished severely and held accountable for their abuse of power and authority. Currently the system isn't good at that.

Cameras help deal with both criminals and bad cops. Win for everyone and they aren't particularly expensive.

I Wear Pants;1681880 wrote:It would provide evidence and protect cops from criminals or false accusations more than it would civilians from criminal cops I imagine.

I don't think there's a particularly high percentage of cops who do shitty things. I just think that the ones that do need to be punished severely and held accountable for their abuse of power and authority. Currently the system isn't good at that.

Cameras help deal with both criminals and bad cops. Win for everyone and they aren't particularly expensive.

Cops lose their jobs all the time when they act out of line on and off duty. A camera isn't going to change much. Hell, Wilson pretty much is forced out of his job because a bunch of fucking idiots wanted to act like animals without knowing the facts. You want that to happen ever time a cop shoots somebody on camera? They lose their jobs, because a bunch of people are butt hurt that some dipshit broke the law and ended up dead.

like_that;1681881 wrote:Cops lose their jobs all the time when they act out of line on and off duty. A camera isn't going to change much. Hell, Wilson pretty much is forced out of his job because a bunch of fucking idiots wanted to act like animals without knowing the facts. You want that to happen ever time a cop shoots somebody on camera? They lose their jobs, because a bunch of people are butt hurt that some dipshit broke the law and ended up dead.

People wouldn't be so upset if people got killed by police less often.

In 2011 we had 404 cases of "justifiable homicide" by police which is based on voluntary reporting so there could be more and doesn't include ones that weren't justified. Germany in the same year had police kill 6 people. They are about 4 times smaller than us population wise but even adjusting for that 24 is a hell of a lot smaller than 404. The difference is similar when you compare other first world countries. Our police kill people far more often.

I Wear Pants;1681884 wrote:People wouldn't be so upset if people got killed by police less often.

In 2011 we had 404 cases of "justifiable homicide" by police which is based on voluntary reporting so there could be more and doesn't include ones that weren't justified. Germany in the same year had police kill 6 people. They are about 4 times smaller than us population wise but even adjusting for that 24 is a hell of a lot smaller than 404. The difference is similar when you compare other first world countries. Our police kill people far more often.

My response is in this thread.
http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?45657-Cleveland-the-new-Ferguson-MO&p=1681887&viewfull=1#post1681887

I Wear Pants;1681884 wrote:People wouldn't be so upset if people got killed by police less often.

In 2011 we had 404 cases of "justifiable homicide" by police which is based on voluntary reporting so there could be more and doesn't include ones that weren't justified. Germany in the same year had police kill 6 people. They are about 4 times smaller than us population wise but even adjusting for that 24 is a hell of a lot smaller than 404. The difference is similar when you compare other first world countries. Our police kill people far more often.

Where is Justin to say keep this thread on track?

DeyDurkie5;1681890 wrote:Where is Justin to say keep this thread on track?

Ratting us all out to our employers.

It's his plan to extort us for a $10 lifetime membership. He's been planning this for years.

I Wear Pants;1681884 wrote:People wouldn't be so upset if people got killed by police less often.

In 2011 we had 404 cases of "justifiable homicide" by police which is based on voluntary reporting so there could be more and doesn't include ones that weren't justified. Germany in the same year had police kill 6 people. They are about 4 times smaller than us population wise but even adjusting for that 24 is a hell of a lot smaller than 404. The difference is similar when you compare other first world countries. Our police kill people far more often.

What are their gun laws? You can't throw arbitrary numbers like that when things aren't equal.

Raw Dawgin' it;1681898 wrote:What are their gun laws? You can't throw arbitrary numbers like that when things aren't equal.

I didn't say killed with guns. I said killed. Police kill way less people in other 1st world countries.

I'm lost. What is all this nonsense about cops and guns? I thought this thread was about cc's poophole and $20 speedy foot visors.

All cameras will do is provide a whole now level of loopholes for the criminals to be on the street within hours. HORRIBLE idea to have cops wear them. Horrible.

I Wear Pants;1681902 wrote:I didn't say killed with guns. I said killed. Police kill way less people in other 1st world countries.

Probably the wring thread for this...but what are the other first world countries you are speaking of? Cause none of the ones I can think of have anywhere close to the black population as the USA. Nor do they have close to the criminal activity that the USA has.

I Wear Pants;1681902 wrote:I didn't say killed with guns. I said killed. Police kill way less people in other 1st world countries.

You ever think those people probably did something to deserve it?

GOONx19;1681903 wrote:I'm lost. What is all this nonsense about cops and guns? I thought this thread was about cc's poophole and $20 speedy foot visors.

It's my bad. I should have kept it in the other thread.

Raw Dawgin' it;1681908 wrote:You ever think those people probably did something to deserve it?

Absolutely. But that doesn't make it an ideal outcome. Someone robbing a store getting shot is ultimately in charge of their own fate but that doesn't mean if we have the ability to provide a scenario where they get arrested alive that we shouldn't try to do that. Because while it's a scumbag move robbing a store isn't punishable by death so we should avoid it if at all possible. Then charge the shit out of them for being thieving douches.

Other countries are able to deal with criminals without killing them as often. I think that'd be better than killing them. Though we also have a fetish like level of incarceration so we need to address that as well.

Laley23;1681907 wrote:Probably the wring thread for this...but what are the other first world countries you are speaking of? Cause none of the ones I can think of have anywhere close to the black population as the USA. Nor do they have close to the criminal activity that the USA has.

They have their own minorities that are more likely to commit crimes. Still don't kill as many people.

The criminal activity is a valid question but it brings up the bigger topic of what we consider criminal activity, how we deal with it, and how that kind of encourages bad behavior. It also begs the question of why we have such a comparatively high rate of crime when we're supposed to be America: super freedom land of opportunity and justice.

I Wear Pants;1681880 wrote:It would provide evidence and protect cops from criminals or false accusations more than it would civilians from criminal cops I imagine.

I don't think there's a particularly high percentage of cops who do shitty things. I just think that the ones that do need to be punished severely and held accountable for their abuse of power and authority. Currently the system isn't good at that.

Cameras help deal with both criminals and bad cops. Win for everyone and they aren't particularly expensive.

I'd rather see everyone on welfare and ex-cons have to wear cameras.

Al Bundy;1681910 wrote:....and ex-cons have to wear cameras.

Interesting idea.

Meanwhile.....back at the ranch (old saying)......

I imagine good old CC got a chewing out at work.

I Wear Pants;1681909 wrote:Absolutely. But that doesn't make it an ideal outcome. Someone robbing a store getting shot is ultimately in charge of their own fate but that doesn't mean if we have the ability to provide a scenario where they get arrested alive that we shouldn't try to do that. Because while it's a scumbag move robbing a store isn't punishable by death so we should avoid it if at all possible. Then charge the shit out of them for being thieving douches.

Maybe he shouldn't have attacked a cop, tried to steal his gun, then charged at him afterwards? You know he would've been arrested if he didn't do anything of those things and just listened to the cop in the first place. This is how black people look at the situation.

like_that;1681867 wrote:lol fuck you, I am not in the same category.

Right because always coming in 2nd place isn't the same category.

/COA'd

Raw Dawgin' it;1681916 wrote:Maybe he shouldn't have attacked a cop, tried to steal his gun, then charged at him afterwards? You know he would've been arrested if he didn't do anything of those things and just listened to the cop in the first place. This is how black people look at the situation.

I've said a bunch of times that the Ferguson incident isn't a great illustration of the problem since the dude attacked a cop which is a tremendously stupid thing to do and provides a reasonable context for the use of force by police.

Robbing a store sans the cop attack would be an entirely different scenario and would be disturbing if the cop had shot an unarmed dude merely for robbing a store. That's not what happened in the Ferguson case though.

Raw Dawgin' it;1681916 wrote:Maybe he shouldn't have attacked a cop, tried to steal his gun, then charged at him afterwards? You know he would've been arrested if he didn't do anything of those things and just listened to the cop in the first place. This is how black people look at the situation.

My god, I really didn't think anyone was stupid enough to believe that photo. On the Internet: real.