Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 12, 2014 10:02pm
Defense sucks tonight....disinterested the first 43 minutes
LeBron with 39
LeBron with 39
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 12, 2014 10:31pm
I feel like Ryan Anderson always kills us.
Bad loss with the brow only playing about 5 minutes.
Bad loss with the brow only playing about 5 minutes.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 15, 2014 9:16pm
Go cabs. Beating up on shitty EC after getting Pwned by the WC.
Ironman92
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Dec 15, 2014 9:51pm
I love those ridiculous over the head passes from Love on an outlet.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 15, 2014 9:55pm
Love and LeBron with huge stat fillers tonight.
Dion 3/10
Dion 3/10
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 16, 2014 12:38am
Don't tell pick6, you'll hurt his feelzIronman92;1686603 wrote:Love and LeBron with huge stat fillers tonight.
Dion 3/10
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 18, 2014 8:58am
God their defense is atrocious.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 18, 2014 9:27am
Since the cavs lost a regular season game to an 18-7 team, are they overrated?! Can they win a title after losing by that much at home?!
/ESPN'd
/ESPN'd
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 18, 2014 9:34am
I'm not even worried about that. My concern is how, many times, they jump out to a big lead and then let the opponent get back into it with that sieve of a "defense" they play. If they don't get some rim protection, they won't last long in the playoffs. They get absolutely manhandled in the paint.SportsAndLady;1687355 wrote:Since the cavs lost a regular season game to an 18-7 team, are they overrated?! Can they win a title after losing by that much at home?!
/ESPN'd
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 18, 2014 9:55am
I was making fun of espn. Had nothing to do with your post just fyi.BR1986FB;1687357 wrote:I'm not even worried about that. My concern is how, many times, they jump out to a big lead and then let the opponent get back into it with that sieve of a "defense" they play. If they don't get some rim protection, they won't last long in the playoffs. They get absolutely manhandled in the paint.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 18, 2014 10:08am
Didn't think it was replying to my post. I was responding to what ESPN said. Whether it's an 18-7 team or a 7-18 team, if they keep playing that kind of defense, all the talent on the roster in the world won't help.SportsAndLady;1687361 wrote:I was making fun of espn. Had nothing to do with your post just fyi.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 18, 2014 10:57am
Also need a wing defender. If only we had an elite young prospect who's a top wing defender already and extremely athletic....
Mulva
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Dec 18, 2014 11:19am
Wiggins is dead last in the entire league in VORP (value over replacement player). He's years away, if he ever gets there.Commander of Awesome;1687380 wrote:Also need a wing defender. If only we had an elite young prospect who's a top Wong defender already and extremely athletic....
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 18, 2014 11:36am
Interesting, he's really dead last? I find that a bit hard to believe, but I dont have insiders, nor do I go to ESPN.com so I'll take your word for it. My point is that we need a wing defender almost, if not equally, as bad a rim protector. The Hawks killed us last night (based on stats) from the 3 pt shot. Some of that I'm sure is they got hot, some is that our guard rotation is undersized, and marion isn't the defender he used to be. Nor should we expect him to be at his age. Cavs aren't a legit contender until we get those, or something changes drastically on the defensive end. Both can happen, but the fear with Love and his defense has come to fruition.Mulva;1687392 wrote:Wiggins is dead last in the entire league in VORP (value over replacement player). He's years away, if he ever gets there.
Mulva
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Dec 18, 2014 11:46am
Basketball-reference, not ESPN. 439th out of 439 at -1.8.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 18, 2014 11:47am
Yeah, they definitely need someone to defend the wing. They got destroyed from the outside last night.
Have also heard some complaining about Blatt pulling the trigger on timeouts too late when opponents go on a run. Instead of cutting off the run at 6-8 points, the complaint is that he lets the run go on too long before trying to break up the other teams momentum.
Have also heard some complaining about Blatt pulling the trigger on timeouts too late when opponents go on a run. Instead of cutting off the run at 6-8 points, the complaint is that he lets the run go on too long before trying to break up the other teams momentum.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 18, 2014 11:48am
Ah Byron Scott syndrome
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 18, 2014 11:53am
The defense is a team problem, not a Kevin Love problem. Love and Andy have the lowest DRating of any of our regulars. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2015.htmlCommander of Awesome;1687404 wrote: Both can happen, but the fear with Love and his defense has come to fruition.
Although in the Cavs' case, it really is like measuring the tallest midget.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 18, 2014 11:53am
Interesting, 4 Min players are in the top 15. I'll have to dig in and give my opinion when I have some time. I will add Dion Waiters is 16th on the list, and he's a bum so that makes sense.Mulva;1687410 wrote:Basketball-reference, not ESPN. 439th out of 439 at -1.8.
Commander of Awesome
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Dec 18, 2014 11:55am
I didn't mean to say that Love was the problem. I was stating that the concerns with trading for him was the lack of defense. There were some that argued that he actually wasn't that bad. He's not atrocious, but he's not a rim protector. He'll never be one, and that's ok. We don't need him to be mutumbo. His effort in the few games I've been able to see this year is inconsistent. He has the ability to be passable on defense, and for whatever reason it hasn't happened consistently with him, or the team as a whole.lhslep134;1687421 wrote:The defense is a team problem, not a Kevin Love problem. Love and Andy have the lowest DRating of any of our regulars. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2015.html
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 18, 2014 11:58am
Gotcha, definitely agree with that. I think Love would benefit from a little less chaos around him. Too much wasted movement on defense and getting out of position (as a team, not just Love). It was pathetic last night.Commander of Awesome;1687424 wrote:I didn't mean to say that Love was the problem. I was stating that the concerns with trading for him was the lack of defense. There were some that argued that he actually wasn't that bad. He's not atrocious, but he's not a rim protector. He'll never be one, and that's ok. We don't need him to be mutumbo. His effort in the few games I've been able to see this year is inconsistent. He has the ability to be passable on defense, and for whatever reason it hasn't happened consistently with him, or the team as a whole.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 18, 2014 9:31pm
Yikes.....is there a defense only metric?Mulva;1687410 wrote:Basketball-reference, not ESPN. 439th out of 439 at -1.8.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 18, 2014 10:28pm
His defensive box plus/minus (a box score estimate of the points contributed per 100 possessions above/below a league average player on a league average team) is currently -1.6.Ironman92;1687614 wrote:Yikes.....is there a defense only metric?
Another one to consider might be the teams points allowed per 100 possessions with vs. without him on the floor. And I do not know the answer to that one.
Ironman92
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Dec 19, 2014 9:10pm
Big 3 are 8/30 but Mike Miller is 7/8 on 3's lol
Dr. KnOiTaLL
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Dec 19, 2014 9:45pm
Ugly basketball these days. Hope these guys start to find some continuity. Not real worried because it's still very early in the season, just hoping to start to see some more consistency in the coming days.Ironman92;1687871 wrote:Big 3 are 8/30 but Mike Miller is 7/8 on 3's lol