ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
May 28, 2015 1:19pm
ernest_t_bass;1731368 wrote:Is it not possible to have both?
You could. The problem is he's already turned down 13 mil. He'll want 15-20. Tough to give for one good year. So you pay TT 15 and resign everyone.. shump will get 7.5 mil for mid level... moz will get 5, jr will get 6 ., delly will get 2, miller gets 2.............You're at 102 mil and tax is at 81... now LeBron wants more in 2 years. You're in a horrible position.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
May 28, 2015 1:25pm
only thing getting rid of Andy or Love does is help us on taxes. Only thing worth getting rid of love for is a sign and trade.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 28, 2015 1:26pm
He turned down a 4 year $48M dollar deal, so $12M a year. I think he's worth about $15 with the new salary cap increases. The salary cap will be $107M in 2017 which is when Lebron will want his new deal. We can keep them all if they want to stay and give them a decent salary, but they will almost certainly command more on the open market; so its purely up to them if they want to compete or they just want money. Unfortunately, most players just want the money so it'll be hard to keep everyone.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1731374 wrote:You could. The problem is he's already turned down 13 mil. He'll want 15-20. Tough to give for one good year. So you pay TT 15 and resign everyone.. shump will get 7.5 mil for mid level... moz will get 5, jr will get 6 ., delly will get 2, miller gets 2.............You're at 102 mil and tax is at 81... now LeBron wants more in 2 years. You're in a horrible position.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
May 28, 2015 1:31pm
Lebron and Love both want more in 2 years. Both will get 7-8 more per year. And if they resign everyone for next year at projected salaries, they'll be paying 20 million in taxes alone next year.sleeper;1731376 wrote:He turned down a 4 year $48M dollar deal, so $12M a year. I think he's worth about $15 with the new salary cap increases. The salary cap will be $107M in 2017 which is when Lebron will want his new deal. We can keep them all if they want to stay and give them a decent salary, but they will almost certainly command more on the open market; so its purely up to them if they want to compete or they just want money. Unfortunately, most players just want the money so it'll be hard to keep everyone.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 28, 2015 1:49pm
And they will be winning multiple championships. Dan Gilbert's net worth is close to $5B; do you think he really gives a shit about $20M in reocurring tax penalties? No, he doesn't. He's a great owner who will do whatever it takes to win.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1731377 wrote:Lebron and Love both want more in 2 years. Both will get 7-8 more per year. And if they resign everyone for next year at projected salaries, they'll be paying 20 million in taxes alone next year.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
May 28, 2015 1:53pm
even rich people care about 20 mil if they don't feel they're getting their return on players putting them that high.sleeper;1731379 wrote:And they will be winning multiple championships. Dan Gilbert's net worth is close to $5B; do you think he really gives a shit about $20M in reocurring tax penalties? No, he doesn't. He's a great owner who will do whatever it takes to win.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 28, 2015 1:55pm
Irrelevant. Dan Gilbert, the only relevant rich person in this discussion, does not care. He will pay whatever it takes to win multiple championships.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1731380 wrote:even rich people care about 20 mil if they don't feel they're getting their return on players putting them that high.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
May 28, 2015 2:15pm
I actually agree with this. Gilbert had shown he will spend whatever it takes to winsleeper;1731381 wrote:Irrelevant. Dan Gilbert, the only relevant rich person in this discussion, does not care. He will pay whatever it takes to win multiple championships.
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like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 28, 2015 2:46pm
What makes you think he isn't getting a return on them? His team is in the finals in year 1 after they pretty much just completely changed the roster.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1731380 wrote:even rich people care about 20 mil if they don't feel they're getting their return on players putting them that high.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 28, 2015 2:46pm
And this (DG's net worth) is likely going to grow. I have a client up in Detroit who says he is buying up commercial property up there and building on it like a mofo.sleeper;1731379 wrote:And they will be winning multiple championships. Dan Gilbert's net worth is close to $5B; do you think he really gives a shit about $20M in reocurring tax penalties? No, he doesn't. He's a great owner who will do whatever it takes to win.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
May 28, 2015 3:32pm
Buying property in Detroit should make net worth go downBR1986FB;1731388 wrote:And this (DG's net worth) is likely going to grow. I have a client up in Detroit who says he is buying up commercial property up there and building on it like a mofo.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 28, 2015 3:48pm
He probably meant Cleveland...
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 28, 2015 3:54pm
This, not to mention more people downtown, which means more tourism/media coming in to the downtown area, which means after the games they'll be visiting the casino, which would be more money for Dan.like_that;1731387 wrote:What makes you think he isn't getting a return on them? His team is in the finals in year 1 after they pretty much just completely changed the roster.
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Sonofanump
May 28, 2015 4:05pm
Azubuike24;1731413 wrote:He probably meant Cleveland...
Gilbert is buying up Detroit for pennies and turning it into desired property.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
May 28, 2015 4:10pm
Since Jan 15. the Cavs went 13-1 against the invincible West with the only blemish being an OT loss in Houston in a game LBJ missed 2 free throws at the end which would have iced the game.
The wrong team is favored in this series.
The wrong team is favored in this series.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 28, 2015 4:11pm
I would bet good money in the meeting between DG and Lebron that DG told Lebron if he came back he would do whatever it takes to build a championship level team, which includes writing a blank check to make it happen. I think one of the things that pissed off Lebron was the Heat's ownership trying to pinch pennies by making questionable roster moves; whereas DG has zero history of that. Lebron may not have the title of GM but he's probably get half his hand in all personnel decisions and that was part of the deal in coming back to Cleveland.BR1986FB;1731388 wrote:And this (DG's net worth) is likely going to grow. I have a client up in Detroit who says he is buying up commercial property up there and building on it like a mofo.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 28, 2015 4:12pm
Interesting. Pretty smart move considering the price...Sonofanump;1731418 wrote:Gilbert is buying up Detroit for pennies and turning it into desired property.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 28, 2015 4:23pm
Since January 15, including playoffs:
Warriors 48-12
Cavaliers 46-11
https://twitter.com/sheridanhoops/status/603969323976282112
Warriors 48-12
Cavaliers 46-11
https://twitter.com/sheridanhoops/status/603969323976282112
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
May 28, 2015 4:28pm
Not to mention he owns Flash Seats, which is growing and thriving as well. I've heard that a lot of teams are thinking of going to it.HighRoller74;1731415 wrote:This, not to mention more people downtown, which means more tourism/media coming in to the downtown area, which means after the games they'll be visiting the casino, which would be more money for Dan.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 28, 2015 4:42pm
We'll see. It's going to depend on the outcome of this http://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/Warriors-ticket-resale-rules-prompt-lawsuit-6168933.phpDr. KnOiTaLL;1731430 wrote: I've heard that a lot of teams are thinking of going to it.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 28, 2015 5:34pm
Interesting. In a way, I don't see a huge problem with it. Why doesn't Stubhub partner with another franchise and do the same thing?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 28, 2015 7:33pm
For the same reason they filed a lawsuit: it's arguably illegal.Azubuike24;1731435 wrote:Interesting. In a way, I don't see a huge problem with it. Why doesn't Stubhub partner with another franchise and do the same thing?
Edit: not going into the legal argument unless anyone wants it
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
May 28, 2015 7:34pm
This. It seems like I see him once a month on Detroit news with a new purchase.Sonofanump;1731418 wrote:Gilbert is buying up Detroit for pennies and turning it into desired property.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 28, 2015 7:38pm
Nobody does or cares. Cavs are in the fucking finals! Hope this helps.lhslep134;1731442 wrote:
Edit: not going into the legal argument unless anyone wants it
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
May 28, 2015 7:38pm
Offer was 4 for 52. I agree with him wanting up to 15M though. The only teams I could see him having any interest going to are Toronto and New York.sleeper;1731376 wrote:He turned down a 4 year $48M dollar deal, so $12M a year. I think he's worth about $15 with the new salary cap increases. The salary cap will be $107M in 2017 which is when Lebron will want his new deal. We can keep them all if they want to stay and give them a decent salary, but they will almost certainly command more on the open market; so its purely up to them if they want to compete or they just want money. Unfortunately, most players just want the money so it'll be hard to keep everyone.
http://www.businessinsider.com/tristan-thompson-free-agency-2015-5