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Feb 11, 2015 12:05 AM
sleeper;1704839 wrote:Kyrie hasn't been in the league for 6 years.
Kyrie also had to play with that bum Waiters for several of those years, and play under Mike Brown.
Feb 10, 2015 7:05pm
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Feb 11, 2015 12:07 AM
I think Kyrie is a gamer, and won't really be phased by the playoffs. He has performed pretty well in clutch situations since his rookie year. You could tell during the blazers game that the dude has ice in his veins.
Feb 10, 2015 7:07pm
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Feb 11, 2015 12:11 AM
Kyrie also in the Oly was awesome. Love wasn't.
Feb 10, 2015 7:11pm
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Feb 11, 2015 12:28 AM
Commander of Awesome;1704846 wrote:Kyrie also in the Oly was awesome. Love wasn't.
Technically, Kyrie has never been in the Olympics, Love was, and averaged 12/8

In the FIBA tourney Kyrie averaged 12-3-4.
Feb 10, 2015 7:28pm
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Feb 11, 2015 1:06 AM
SportsAndLady;1704836 wrote:We will wait and see how Love does in the playoffs, where it actually matters.

It's a different ballgame come playoff time, and this will be Love's first playoff appearance so I'm not confident he will be able to sustain 17 and 10 but we shall see.
care to make a bet on his playoff averages?
Feb 10, 2015 8:06pm
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Feb 11, 2015 1:33 AM
Pick6;1704858 wrote:care to make a bet on his playoff averages?
Nope.
Feb 10, 2015 8:33pm
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Feb 11, 2015 2:00 AM
sleeper;1704828 wrote:Kevin Love has never won anything in the NBA.
Neither has 90% of the league as stars.
Feb 10, 2015 9:00pm
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Feb 11, 2015 2:02 AM
SportsAndLady;1704836 wrote:We will wait and see how Love does in the playoffs, where it actually matters.

It's a different ballgame come playoff time, and this will be Love's first playoff appearance so I'm not confident he will be able to sustain 17 and 10 but we shall see.
If anything his rebounding prowess/ability alone in the playoffs will be crucial, especially when the game slows down.
Feb 10, 2015 9:02pm
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Feb 11, 2015 2:20 AM
sleeper;1704828 wrote:Kevin Love has never won anything in the NBA.
* yet
Feb 10, 2015 9:20pm
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Feb 11, 2015 2:22 AM
Ironman92;1704892 wrote:Neither has Kyrie
Neither have Durant, Westbrook, Curry, Thompson, Wall, CP3, could go on and on.
Feb 10, 2015 9:22pm
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Feb 11, 2015 2:49 AM
robj55;1704893 wrote:Neither have Durant, Westbrook, Curry, Thompson, Wall, CP3, could go on and on.
They've at least made the playoffs
Feb 10, 2015 9:49pm
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Feb 11, 2015 2:52 AM
Commander of Awesome;1704907 wrote:They've at least made the playoffs
Well to be fair, Kevin Love had exactly 0 above average teammates during that time.
Feb 10, 2015 9:52pm
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Feb 11, 2015 4:27 AM
robj55;1704879 wrote:Neither has 90% of the league as stars.
Sure but these 90% other stars aren't asking for a max contract as the third option.
Feb 10, 2015 11:27pm
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Feb 11, 2015 4:46 AM
sleeper;1704933 wrote:Sure but these 90% other stars aren't asking for a max contract as the third option.
Doesn't matter what option he is, Love is a max player and he proved it in Minnesota. A lot of people are getting undeserved contracts, just what the market dictates right now.
Feb 10, 2015 11:46pm
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Feb 11, 2015 5:21 AM
HighRoller74;1704909 wrote:Well to be fair, Kevin Love had exactly 0 above average teammates during that time.
Rubio, Martin, and Pekovic disagree.
Feb 11, 2015 12:21am
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Feb 11, 2015 5:22 AM
robj55;1704934 wrote:Doesn't matter what option he is, Love is a max player and he proved it in Minnesota. A lot of people are getting undeserved contracts, just what the market dictates right now.
Then he should leave. Cavs are stupid to pay him a max deal.

But apparently you have no idea what a salary cap is nor do you care about its implications.
Feb 11, 2015 12:22am
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Feb 11, 2015 5:32 AM
sleeper;1704938 wrote:Then he should leave. Cavs are stupid to pay him a max deal.

But apparently you have no idea what a salary cap is nor do you care about its implications.
The cap is going up by a considerable margin soon.
Feb 11, 2015 12:32am
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Feb 11, 2015 5:36 AM
robj55;1704940 wrote:The cap is going up by a considerable margin soon.
So do max deals.
Feb 11, 2015 12:36am
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Feb 11, 2015 5:52 AM
Commander of Awesome;1704937 wrote:Rubio, Martin, and Pekovic disagree.
Yeah, I'm the biggest Kevin Martin fan on this board by far, and that's a stretch. He's a good scorer, that's about it, but his best days are behind him.

Rubio, can't score at all, and in his only full season as a 4 year pro he averaged 9 pts and 9 Asst. He might be the best of the bunch, but not enough to put them close.

And Pekovic has yet to play more than 62 games in a season. If we're gonna knock Wade down from Top 25, for not being healthy, Pek has to slide to average for same reason.

Last season was only season with all 3 guys you mentioned, and they finished 40-42. which would've qualified them for the playoffs in the east.

I hate to be the only guy fighting the K.Love battle, along side rob, but you guys are definitely underrating how good a player Love actually is for the Cavs, and was for the Wolves.
Feb 11, 2015 12:52am
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Feb 11, 2015 5:58 AM
HighRoller74;1704942 wrote:Yeah, I'm the biggest Kevin Martin fan on this board by far, and that's a stretch. He's a good scorer, that's about it, but his best days are behind him.

Rubio, can't score at all, and in his only full season as a 4 year pro he averaged 9 pts and 9 Asst. He might be the best of the bunch, but not enough to put them close.

And Pekovic has yet to play more than 62 games in a season. If we're gonna knock Wade down from Top 25, for not being healthy, Pek has to slide to average for same reason.

Last season was only season with all 3 guys you mentioned, and they finished 40-42. which would've qualified them for the playoffs in the east.

I hate to be the only guy fighting the K.Love battle, along side rob, but you guys are definitely underrating how good a player Love actually is for the Cavs, and was for the Wolves.
His supporting cast compared to those other players I listed is a joke and not even close in terms of talent.
Feb 11, 2015 12:58am
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Feb 11, 2015 7:13 AM
For the Cavs to win it all, Love has to elevate his game to the level he played at when he was with Minnesota. Not talking about 26 points per game, but a much higher shooting percentage. There is no reason that his rebounds per game are down this year either.
Feb 11, 2015 2:13am
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Feb 11, 2015 7:18 AM
SMH at the "2 stars and a bunch of role players" baloney. I wouldn't call DJ a "role player". Bill Walton was in his prime and he didn't even start for that great Celtics team in the mid 80's. Or Worthy, Perkins...the list goes on.

Jordan doesn't win shit without, Rodman. Horace Grant, Cartright, BJ Armstrong and John Paxson.

It takes a a team that runs 8 deep to win it all.
Feb 11, 2015 2:18am
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Feb 11, 2015 3:08 PM
HighRoller74;1704942 wrote:Yeah, I'm the biggest Kevin Martin fan on this board by far, and that's a stretch. He's a good scorer, that's about it, but his best days are behind him.

Rubio, can't score at all, and in his only full season as a 4 year pro he averaged 9 pts and 9 Asst. He might be the best of the bunch, but not enough to put them close.

And Pekovic has yet to play more than 62 games in a season. If we're gonna knock Wade down from Top 25, for not being healthy, Pek has to slide to average for same reason.

Last season was only season with all 3 guys you mentioned, and they finished 40-42. which would've qualified them for the playoffs in the east.

I hate to be the only guy fighting the K.Love battle, along side rob, but you guys are definitely underrating how good a player Love actually is for the Cavs, and was for the Wolves.
I think love is a great player, but has some legit flaws. He's not an all NBA or HoF type player imo.

As for Martin, the SG position is abysmal in the NBA. He's prop a top half SG in the association BC or this. . Haven't run the numbers but off top of my head id take klay, harden, beal, wiggins as the only for sure SGs Id take over him. After that it's all about what team I'm building.
Feb 11, 2015 10:08am
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Feb 11, 2015 3:35 PM
Commander of Awesome;1704987 wrote:I think love is a great player, but has some legit flaws. He's not an all NBA or HoF type player imo.


This I agree with, for now. He's only 26, and still early in his NBA career. He's a good scorer, a great rebounder, and a great passer for a big man, but he's not all-NBA or HOF yet. There's definitely some work to be done on that front.
Commander of Awesome;1704987 wrote:As for Martin, the SG position is abysmal in the NBA. He's prop a top half SG in the association BC or this. . Haven't run the numbers but off top of my head id take klay, harden, beal, wiggins as the only for sure SGs Id take over him. After that it's all about what team I'm building.
As for this, I'd also take Butler, Bledsoe, Hayward, Ellis, Matthews, and probably Korver over him (he at least plays defense).
Feb 11, 2015 10:35am
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Feb 11, 2015 4:59 PM
Commander of Awesome;1704987 wrote:I think love is a great player, but has some legit flaws. He's not an all NBA or HoF type player imo.

As for Martin, the SG position is abysmal in the NBA. He's prop a top half SG in the association BC or this. . Haven't run the numbers but off top of my head id take klay, harden, beal, wiggins as the only for sure SGs Id take over him. After that it's all about what team I'm building.
Almost every All NBA player has flaws, there are very few complete players in the NBA. He's been All NBA quite a few times I believe.
Feb 11, 2015 11:59am