lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 30, 2014 2:12pm
I would trade West if it Carolina gave us a 1st (never gonna happen) or a 2nd.like_that;1658903 wrote:Lol no. You have two good rookie rbs who are locked up in rookie contracts. That would be a very dumb trade.
That's only because 1) that's an absurd overpay in terms of value; 2) while I certainly enjoy having West and don't want to trade him, we only needed to hit on 1 of West and Crowell and it appears we hit on both
Edit: I don't know why we're talking about this though.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Sep 30, 2014 2:47pm
Agreed. Why are we talking about these pie in the sky trade scenarios when we could be talking about something legit, like the Manziel to Oakland trade?lhslep134;1659047 wrote: Edit: I don't know why we're talking about this though.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Sep 30, 2014 3:30pm
Ben Tate is the best back on the team. That is all
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Sep 30, 2014 5:21pm
I heard his interview today about Pettine making him the starter, assuming he's healthy, for the Titans game. Kinda sounded like a bitch throwing Crowell & West under the bus because "it's ok if you have one or two games but I've proven myself in this league" or something to that effect. Wasn't verbatim but every time the guy does an interview he rubs me the wrong way.bases_loaded;1659063 wrote:Ben Tate is the best back on the team. That is all
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 30, 2014 6:53pm
BR1986FB;1659082 wrote:I heard his interview today about Pettine making him the starter, assuming he's healthy, for the Titans game. Kinda sounded like a bitch throwing Crowell & West under the bus because "it's ok if you have one or two games but I've proven myself in this league" or something to that effect. Wasn't verbatim but every time the guy does an interview he rubs me the wrong way.
He has seemed pretty defensive when it comes to talking about the rookies. If it provides a chip on his shoulder, I am all for it. He is locked up for two years. If West/Crowell keep it up, I don't expect the Browns to resign Tate. Hopefully after Tate's 2nd season the Browns can find another rookie RB. Just keep churning them out.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Sep 30, 2014 7:10pm
Pretty sure Tate's 2nd yr is non guaranteed. I'd expect Browns to cut him honestly.like_that;1659092 wrote:He has seemed pretty defensive when it comes to talking about the rookies. If it provides a chip on his shoulder, I am all for it. He is locked up for two years. If West/Crowell keep it up, I don't expect the Browns to resign Tate. Hopefully after Tate's 2nd season the Browns can find another rookie RB. Just keep churning them out.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Sep 30, 2014 8:50pm
Why are we in a hurry to cut a guy with a cheap contract averaging 6.8 ypc and has proven when healthy to be a good nfl running back?
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Sep 30, 2014 9:03pm
He has 6 carries. Enough of the 6.8 average stuff.bases_loaded;1659124 wrote:Why are we in a hurry to cut a guy with a cheap contract averaging 6.8 ypc and has proven when healthy to be a good nfl running back?
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Sep 30, 2014 9:05pm
6.8 over one game. Please stop acting like it's all three games. Yes he's good, but no Adrain Peterson. I think he is one and done though with the emergence of West and Crowell
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Sep 30, 2014 10:04pm
Crowell hits the hole hard. West is shifty. Tate is both.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 1, 2014 7:18am
Agreed. I haven't been following his stats but heard 6.8 ypc on here yesterday and thought "nice." Then, driving home, I hear "on 6 carries for the year" and that changed to "not enough body of work to crown him yet."Rotinaj;1659127 wrote:He has 6 carries. Enough of the 6.8 average stuff.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 1, 2014 7:19am
I don't think anybody is in a hurry to cut him. What I do think is that, if history plays out, he'll be off the team because he'll be spending more time in the ice tub than on the field.bases_loaded;1659124 wrote:Why are we in a hurry to cut a guy with a cheap contract averaging 6.8 ypc and has proven when healthy to be a good nfl running back?
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Oct 1, 2014 7:30am
+1. It would be a little different if he missed a game or 2 a season as the featured back. That isn't the case though, he got hurt every year as a back up while averaging like 10 carries a game. If he stays healthy the rest of the year and is averaging around 5 YPC I doubt anyone is going to be calling for him to get cut.BR1986FB;1659222 wrote:I don't think anybody is in a hurry to cut him. What I do think is that, if history plays out, he'll be off the team because he'll be spending more time in the ice tub than on the field.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 1, 2014 8:00am
What rubbed me the wrong way about his comments was that he came off like he has this long "track record" of being a proven feature back in the league when that's not the case.Rotinaj;1659223 wrote:+1. It would be a little different if he missed a game or 2 a season as the featured back. That isn't the case though, he got hurt every year as a back up while averaging like 10 carries a game. If he stays healthy the rest of the year and is averaging around 5 YPC I doubt anyone is going to be calling for him to get cut.
He also took kind of a backhanded shot at his rookie teammates with his "that's ok if you do it for one or two games." Well, they've only played in 3 games so how would he know whether they could develop a track record or not?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Oct 1, 2014 9:25am
Ben Tate seems very bitter at the fact he finally got the chance to be a feature back, got hurt again, and is seemingly going to be used in a platoon role. Coming off as very selfish, which has no place in a young, developing team.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 1, 2014 9:27am
Well said. Essentially my thoughts but you conveyed it much better.Laley23;1659262 wrote:Ben Tate seems very bitter at the fact he finally got the chance to be a feature back, got hurt again, and is seemingly going to be used in a platoon role. Coming off as very selfish, which has no place in a young, developing team.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Oct 1, 2014 10:01am
You hear bitter. I hear confidence. Our RBs have 4 catches this year and have gone the wrong way(West) multiple times. This team is better with Tate and since you have depth, him being injury prone isn't as big of an issue. I like Crowell, I think hes going to be a beast in the league...but at this point you are a better team with Ben Tate as your lead back because he can do it all.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Oct 1, 2014 10:09am
How do you know they're better with Tate? He has 6 carries lol he's basically played half a game. A half where we got blown the fuck out. Then he was replaced and the team came back lolbases_loaded;1659273 wrote:You hear bitter. I hear confidence. Our RBs have 4 catches this year and have gone the wrong way(West) multiple times. This team is better with Tate and since you have depth, him being injury prone isn't as big of an issue. I like Crowell, I think hes going to be a beast in the league...but at this point you are a better team with Ben Tate as your lead back because he can do it all.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Oct 1, 2014 10:18am
I actually agree with this a bit. Not that I think Crowell and West aren't good, I just would prefer to start a veteran over two rookies in week 5 because I feel like there will be fewer breakdowns in all aspects of the game (pass blocking assignments, pass catching, etc.) I DO think Crowell and West are both going to be good, but let's keep them hungry and not just hand it to them. It's not like we're Tennessee where Shonn Greene is the starter and Sankey is way more talented. Tate is a very good back with an injury history. Let's roll with him and spell the other two, and then if Tate goes down we've got two quality backs that have (hopefully) been working harder to show what they've got.bases_loaded;1659273 wrote:You hear bitter. I hear confidence. Our RBs have 4 catches this year and have gone the wrong way(West) multiple times. This team is better with Tate and since you have depth, him being injury prone isn't as big of an issue. I like Crowell, I think hes going to be a beast in the league...but at this point you are a better team with Ben Tate as your lead back because he can do it all.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 1, 2014 10:34am
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 1, 2014 10:54am
We will see if it hurts the team. I think it will just make him play harder. Nice to know we have depth at a position which in return makes our starter feel a sense of urgency. If we had that at every position we would look much better.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 1, 2014 11:04am
So now Josh Gordon is complaining about "all of the drug tests he has to take?" Really, Josh? Really?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Oct 1, 2014 11:11am
I mean, it was a ridiculous amount of drug tests.BR1986FB;1659309 wrote:So now Josh Gordon is complaining about "all of the drug tests he has to take?" Really, Josh? Really?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 1, 2014 11:17am
Comes with the territory. He dug his grave. Has nobody to blame but himself.SportsAndLady;1659311 wrote:I mean, it was a ridiculous amount of drug tests.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Oct 1, 2014 11:22am
Go ahead and believe that all you want. 75+ drug tests in a year is crazy, I don't care who you are. We don't have convicted felons getting drug tested that many times.BR1986FB;1659315 wrote:Comes with the territory. He dug his grave. Has nobody to blame but himself.