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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Sep 15, 2014 4:20pm
You do realize that pretty much every single great QB in the NFL past and current not named Peyton Manning sat for awhile after being drafted right?IggyPride00;1654220 wrote:LOL at all you who think that Browns fans will be patient with Manziel having to learn next year after sitting all year when their lord and savior Brian Hoyer is run out of town after winning 8 games (which will feel like a SB in this town).
That is how they fucked this up. This "sit and learn thing" is bullshit as nothing replicates bullets flying. There will be a strong learning curve whether he sits a year or a game, and will make the same mistakes next year as he makes this year.
Only then it will be "we should have kept Hoyer" bullshit dogging him while he works through his early mistakes and it will ruin this town as it usually does.
I question whether some of you have lived in this town or been real Browns fans for more than a minute based on some of the responses I see.
This is literally Couch/Holcomb, Anderson/Quinn all over and we will be looking for a 3rd option within the next 2 years based on how poorly Pettine/Farmer have handled this.
Anyone whose time horizon extends beyond just this season can see how what is happening right now is inevitably going to lead to disaster.
Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc all sat as rookies or longer.
Reality doesn't back up your opinion, but why should that surprise us?
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Sep 15, 2014 4:21pm
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Sep 15, 2014 5:18pm
Man, did it feel so much better on Monday morning with a win. Of course Booms still was calling for Johnny Manziel. I still think it is the most entertaining morning show, but that hillbilly is a douche calling for anyone on a Monday after beating a "good" team.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Sep 15, 2014 6:21pm
Wilson didn't sit. Kap sat out a partial season. Aikman didn''t sit. Eli didn't sit. Sims didn't sit. Roethlesburger didn't sit. Bradshaw didn't sit. Bernie sat only a short while. Luck didn't sit. RG 3 didn't sit. Marino didn't sit. Elway didn't sit. Your argument is lame...as usual. Lamonica didn't sit. Bert Jones didn't sit. Mike Phipps didn't sit. Couch didn't sit. Montana didn't sit.And those are just off the top of my head.The Browns insist on playing Wayne Kirby instead of Manny Ramirez. Same bullshit argument. There's no doubt in my mind this team would be 2-0 right now if they would play the best player at quarterback.jmog;1654313 wrote:You do realize that pretty much every single great QB in the NFL past and current not named Peyton Manning sat for awhile after being drafted right?Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc all sat as rookies or longer. Reality doesn't back up your opinion, but why should that surprise us?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 15, 2014 6:30pm
He sat his entire rookie season. Nice fail though. Also, anyone who needs to bring in baseball analogies to prove their point about football is a dumbass, but we already knew that about you.Footwedge;1654336 wrote:Wilson didn't sit. Kap sat out a partial season. Aikman didn''t sit. Eli didn't sit. Sims didn't sit. Roethlesburger didn't sit. Bradshaw didn't sit. Bernie sat only a short while. Luck didn't sit. RG 3 didn't sit. Marino didn't sit. Elway didn't sit. Your argument is lame...as usual. Lamonica didn't sit. Bert Jones didn't sit. Mike Phipps didn't sit. Couch didn't sit. Montana didn't sit.And those are just off the top of my head.The Browns insist on playing Wayne Kirby instead of Manny Ramirez. Same bullshit argument. There's no doubt in my mind this team would be 2-0 right now if they would play the best player at quarterback.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Sep 15, 2014 6:34pm
Considering half of those qbs either suck or you are wrong and they did sit. Marino sat, Kap sat out 1+ seasons, Eli sucks, RG3 sucks, I could keep showing your ignorance but I will stop now.Footwedge;1654336 wrote:Wilson didn't sit. Kap sat out a partial season. Aikman didn''t sit. Eli didn't sit. Sims didn't sit. Roethlesburger didn't sit. Bradshaw didn't sit. Bernie sat only a short while. Luck didn't sit. RG 3 didn't sit. Marino didn't sit. Elway didn't sit. Your argument is lame...as usual. Lamonica didn't sit. Bert Jones didn't sit. Mike Phipps didn't sit. Couch didn't sit. Montana didn't sit.And those are just off the top of my head.The Browns insist on playing Wayne Kirby instead of Manny Ramirez. Same bullshit argument. There's no doubt in my mind this team would be 2-0 right now if they would play the best player at quarterback.
We are 0-2 if Manziel starts and I actually like the guy.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Sep 15, 2014 6:46pm
Just off the top of my head, Montana backed up Steve Deberg his rookie year, and Marino started out his career backing up David Woodley. It's too bad for Montana and Marino that Bill Walsh and Don Shula didn't know what they were doing.Footwedge;1654336 wrote:Wilson didn't sit. Kap sat out a partial season. Aikman didn''t sit. Eli didn't sit. Sims didn't sit. Roethlesburger didn't sit. Bradshaw didn't sit. Bernie sat only a short while. Luck didn't sit. RG 3 didn't sit. Marino didn't sit. Elway didn't sit. Your argument is lame...as usual. Lamonica didn't sit. Bert Jones didn't sit. Mike Phipps didn't sit. Couch didn't sit. Montana didn't sit.And those are just off the top of my head.The Browns insist on playing Wayne Kirby instead of Manny Ramirez. Same bullshit argument. There's no doubt in my mind this team would be 2-0 right now if they would play the best player at quarterback.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Sep 15, 2014 6:57pm
I was going to fact check every one of those QBs, so I started with Mike Phipps and LOL'd. He threw 60 passes his rookie year and 47 his second year with 1 start each year, and on top of that the guy threw 55 touchdowns in his career to 108 interceptions. So not only did he essentially sit his first 2 years but he was an extremely shitty QB. Not even worth going through everybody else on that list, lol.Footwedge;1654336 wrote:Wilson didn't sit. Kap sat out a partial season. Aikman didn''t sit. Eli didn't sit. Sims didn't sit. Roethlesburger didn't sit. Bradshaw didn't sit. Bernie sat only a short while. Luck didn't sit. RG 3 didn't sit. Marino didn't sit. Elway didn't sit. Your argument is lame...as usual. Lamonica didn't sit. Bert Jones didn't sit. Mike Phipps didn't sit. Couch didn't sit. Montana didn't sit.And those are just off the top of my head.The Browns insist on playing Wayne Kirby instead of Manny Ramirez. Same bullshit argument. There's no doubt in my mind this team would be 2-0 right now if they would play the best player at quarterback.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Sep 15, 2014 7:04pm
Eli started as backup to Kurt Warner.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Sep 15, 2014 7:05pm
LOLOLOLOL. Fucking Footwedge.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Sep 15, 2014 7:06pm
Buttwedge strikes again
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Sep 15, 2014 7:18pm
Lmao I can't handle this
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Sep 15, 2014 7:38pm
RG3? Redskins fans are up in arms right now. I think it is too early to close the book on him but he isn't doing himself any favors so far this year.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Sep 15, 2014 8:41pm
Footwedge I am starting to think your retarded ass doesn't even have a 100 bucks to give me when I win the bet.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Sep 15, 2014 8:57pm
I don't have a lot of the GM knowledge, types of offenses and other aspects within sports....but I know my trivia pretty damn well and I don't know who the fuck Mike Phipps is.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Sep 15, 2014 9:04pm
Phipps had a great college career, and godawful NFL career.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Sep 15, 2014 9:08pm
Never heard of him....I don't get into the college names real big and not huge on the draft.Manhattan Buckeye;1654386 wrote:Phipps had a great college career, and godawful NFL career.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Sep 15, 2014 9:13pm
Phipps was the QB the Browns got when they traded Paul Warfield. It is still a very sore spot for Browns fans. It is considered the worst trade in Browns history.Ironman92;1654382 wrote:I don't have a lot of the GM knowledge, types of offenses and other aspects within sports....but I know my trivia pretty damn well and I don't know who the fuck Mike Phipps is.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Sep 15, 2014 9:14pm
Fuck I didn't realize we were going 5 decades.Al Bundy;1654390 wrote:Phipps was the QB the Browns got when they traded Paul Warfield. It is still a very sore spot for Browns fans. It is considered the worst trade in Browns history.
Why didn't Footwedge mention Earl Clark?
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Sep 15, 2014 9:17pm
We gave up Paul Warfield to get him. ^^^^^^
And I actually understand the Wayne Kirby analogy! Love it!
edit: I see Al Bundy beat me to it!
And I actually understand the Wayne Kirby analogy! Love it!
edit: I see Al Bundy beat me to it!
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Sep 15, 2014 9:46pm
Anybody else notice Miles Austin catching everything is way? Hopefully he keeps it up. It can only get better when Cameron and Gordon come back.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Sep 15, 2014 9:55pm
He dropped a ball with no one on him Sunday
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Sep 15, 2014 9:57pm
Yeah....he dropped a huge 1st down catch later in the game and then the moronic special teams jumped on 4th and 4 bailing him outbases_loaded;1654407 wrote:He dropped a ball with no one on him Sunday
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Sep 15, 2014 9:58pm
I couldn't remember what bailed him out.Ironman92;1654408 wrote:Yeah....he dropped a huge 1st down catch later in the game and then the moronic special teams jumped on 4th and 4 bailing him out
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Sep 15, 2014 10:05pm
What about the side line catch on the last drive or that huge 3rd and 1 with the CB on him like white on rice. He is getting more comfortable. He's making hard catches.