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and you all may have said it already but why did they wait until 9pm to announce it?
Schools were already closed. Many businesses were boarded up. They could have easily announced it in the morning. Under nightfall people will do some crazy shit....the freaks come out at night.

WOndering if a few of those businesses said fuck it and hoped they get looted to collect insurance $$. McDonalds should say fuck it and not even reopen.
Nov 25, 2014 11:54am
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Con_Alma;1678306 wrote:What I don't get is how the race has any influence on the events.

What is the role or factor that race played that the media is reporting?

If the races were different would the events have unfolded any different? I know that's speculative but I'mmore interested in understanding how one race of the individuals has any particular influence on the events that occurred.
Race played no factor. However the media is implying that Wilson, who is white, killed a man BECAUSE he was black.
Nov 25, 2014 11:56am
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sleeper;1678326 wrote:Remember too, a grand jury is biased towards indictment because the prosecutor selects the jury. Basically, there is ZERO evidence corroborating anything that puts MB in a decent light. Most of the "eye witnesses" they found were not even near the crime scene and had admitted they were just repeating stories heard from a select few. One of these alleged eye witnesses stated that Brown was killed by the cop execution style(ie. Wilson was standing behind him and shot him point blank in the back of the head) which of course is ridiculous based on the forensic evidence.
And I saw that 99.99% of grand jury cases go to indictment.
Nov 25, 2014 11:56am
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thavoice;1678327 wrote:and the GJ burden of proof isnt very high.
It's extremely low. Basically the point of the GJ is to merely figure out if there's enough evidence to go to trial. This is usually a pretty low threshold and I don't have the statistic on-hand but I bet the vast majority of cases utilizing a GJ go to trial.
Nov 25, 2014 12:00pm
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SportsAndLady;1678331 wrote:And I saw that 99.99% of grand jury cases go to indictment.
I don't know the statistic but 99% wouldn't surprise me. It's very high though; very very high.
Nov 25, 2014 12:02pm
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My Facebook is unbearable right now
Nov 25, 2014 12:03pm
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thavoice;1678328 wrote:and you all may have said it already but why did they wait until 9pm to announce it?
Schools were already closed. Many businesses were boarded up. They could have easily announced it in the morning. Under nightfall people will do some crazy shit....the freaks come out at night.

WOndering if a few of those businesses said fuck it and hoped they get looted to collect insurance $$. McDonalds should say fuck it and not even reopen.
Are you sure that insurance covers looting? I've never heard of a looting clause in a policy.
Nov 25, 2014 12:05pm
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thavoice

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sleeper;1678334 wrote:It's extremely low. Basically the point of the GJ is to merely figure out if there's enough evidence to go to trial. This is usually a pretty low threshold and I don't have the statistic on-hand but I bet the vast majority of cases utilizing a GJ go to trial.
and that is why I thought it would go to trial because of such a low threshold needed.
I doubt it is 99.9% like someone stated, but i know it is high.
Nov 25, 2014 12:05pm
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SportsAndLady;1678341 wrote:My Facebook is unbearable right now
As is mine.
Nov 25, 2014 12:06pm
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SportsAndLady;1678242 wrote:If I hear "we need to have a discussion on race in America" one more time

Black parents fail raising their kid
That kid assaults a police offer and gets himself killed
Unbiased jury finds no wrongdoing on the cops part
Black community riots, loots, destroys town

Where exactly does the white race play into that? All I see is the black race going crazy over nothing, other than what their own race started. Smh
I asked ptown to propose a solution since a discussion is essentially worthless. Anytime someone states that "we need a discussion on XXtopic" I immediately dismiss than as a media manipulated moron. A "discussion" is the media's go to cliche word to solve a perceived problem with no actual solution in mind.

Again, ptown propose a solution. Otherwise go fuck yourself.
Nov 25, 2014 12:06pm
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thavoice;1678328 wrote:and you all may have said it already but why did they wait until 9pm to announce it?
Schools were already closed. Many businesses were boarded up. They could have easily announced it in the morning. Under nightfall people will do some crazy shit....the freaks come out at night.
It allowed all the innocent people to get home and stay safe. Do you really think there would have been a different reaction if it happened at noon? I don't think so.
Nov 25, 2014 12:06pm
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thavoice

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Al Bundy;1678343 wrote:Are you sure that insurance covers looting? I've never heard of a looting clause in a policy.
I would be fucking pissed if I owned a business and it wasnt included. You may be right though, or maybe you need a looting clause like you many times need to have Flood insurance to be covered for flooding..which is a farce a well.
Nov 25, 2014 12:07pm
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sleeper;1678326 wrote:Remember too, a grand jury is biased towards indictment because the prosecutor selects the jury.....
Grand jurys are selected by a current sitting judge at the time jury pools are summoned to appear. The prosecutor isn't even in the room with the pool of candidates...at least that's the case here in Ohio.
Nov 25, 2014 12:08pm
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thavoice

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TedSheckler;1678348 wrote:It allowed all the innocent people to get home and stay safe. Do you really think there would have been a different reaction if it happened at noon? I don't think so.
No reason why they could not announce last night that at 2pm it will be announced. Businesses could close if not already. Schools were already closed.

Would it be different....not sure. Doubt it could have hurt. By waiting until after dark that allowed for so many people who woulda been normally working to be home and partake in the looting..............
Nov 25, 2014 12:08pm
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SportsAndLady;1678341 wrote:My Facebook is unbearable right now
Mine is too. I have some pretty dumb shit liberal friends. It's all SJW BS like "White privilege and #BLACKLIVES MATTER". I don't even bother arguing with these fucks. Such stupid.
Nov 25, 2014 12:10pm
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Con_Alma

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ernest_t_bass;1678318 wrote:Understood?... What is there to "understand" in any of this?
Why the feel that race is a factor in the events...if they indeed do. Maybe folks don't. I don't know. I keep hearing race being brought up and I don't understand why.
Nov 25, 2014 12:10pm
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thavoice

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Con_Alma;1678357 wrote:Why the feel that race is a factor in the events...if they indeed do. Maybe folks don't. I don't know. I keep hearing race being brought up and I don't understand why.
Stop being so obtuse. You know why.
Nov 25, 2014 12:12pm
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Con_Alma

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sleeper;1678330 wrote:Race played no factor. However the media is implying that Wilson, who is white, killed a man BECAUSE he was black.
I don't can't find any evidence that race was a factor either. I agree with you.

I understand the crappy motivation for the media to try and stir such a belief but I was hoping to find someone who believes that race played a role and hear their side.
Nov 25, 2014 12:12pm
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Con_Alma;1678352 wrote:Grand jurys are selected by a current sitting judge at the time jury pools are summoned to appear. The prosecutor isn't even in the room with the pool of candidates...at least that's the case here in Ohio.
Correct a judge selects the GJ. However, given the stated purpose of the GJ, the are typically biased towards the wishes of the prosecution which is to secure a trial.
Nov 25, 2014 12:13pm
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Con_Alma

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thavoice;1678359 wrote:Stop being so obtuse. You know why.
??? I've admitted my lack of intelligence on the views of race being brought in.

I can't be more clear. If you don't believe race played a factor then it is not you I am posing the question to...unless you understand why someone might have such a view.
Nov 25, 2014 12:14pm
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sleeper;1678356 wrote:Mine is too. I have some pretty dumb shit liberal friends. It's all SJW BS like "White privilege and #BLACKLIVES MATTER". I don't even bother arguing with these fucks. Such stupid.
THE WHITES ARE USING MARTIN LUTHER KING IN THEIR FAVOR DESPITE KILLING HIM DECADES AGO!!
Nov 25, 2014 12:14pm
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thavoice;1678359 wrote:Stop being so obtuse. You know why.
Just leave him alone.
Nov 25, 2014 12:15pm
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Con_Alma;1678360 wrote:hear their side.
There is only one argument to that side. "The reason MB was shot was b/c he was black. The cop felt threatened b/c the kid was black." That's their reasoning.
Nov 25, 2014 12:16pm