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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 10:22 AM Jul 30, 2014 10:22 AM

My problem with this is they have a report showing all this harassment, but the people who were supposedly harassed weren't offended at all. "Tiggles" wrote a letter explaining how she liked her nickname, and loved her time in the band.

Jul 30, 2014 10:22am

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 10:26 AM Jul 30, 2014 10:26 AM

HitsRus;1640061 wrote:^^^I think you should read other accounts of what happened/what was going on.
http://www.abc6onyourside.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/band-scandal-marching-band-alumni-react-firing-findings-33697.shtml

...and more

It seems some outsiders who read the report think the firing was justifiable...but those closest to the situation do not agree. The report is seriously flawed.

Which would you be more likely to believe... an official investigative report... or a bunch of former band members trying to protect their band's legacy and traditions... Hmmmmmm....

Jul 30, 2014 10:26am

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 10:30 AM Jul 30, 2014 10:30 AM

Zoltan;1640135 wrote:My problem with this is they have a report showing all this harassment, but the people who were supposedly harassed weren't offended at all. "Tiggles" wrote a letter explaining how she liked her nickname, and loved her time in the band.

Just because one is a "victim", and they can't comprehend that they were a "victim", doesn't make the act any less serious/significant.

If an ar-tard is sexually abused, and the ar-tard has no idea they were sexually abused, it doesn't make it ok to sexually abuse ar-tards.

Jul 30, 2014 10:30am

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 10:43 AM Jul 30, 2014 10:43 AM

Scarlet_Buckeye;1640142 wrote:Just because one is a "victim", and they can't comprehend that they were a "victim", doesn't make the act any less serious/significant.

If an ar-tard is sexually abused, and the ar-tard has no idea they were sexually abused, it doesn't make it ok to sexually abuse ar-tards.

Yeah, "Tiggles" seems totally unaware of what was happening. http://www.thebuckeyebattlecry.com/2014/07/more-former-tbdbitl-members-speak/ They didn't even speak to her during the investigation. It's way more insulting to assume she is some defenseless woman who can't help herself.

The other person in that link is a PhD who works for MSU now. They both seem like they need white knights like yourself telling them when they should be offended and improving their lives. Get over yourself.

Jul 30, 2014 10:43am

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 11:28 AM Jul 30, 2014 11:28 AM

Zoltan;1640135 wrote:My problem with this is they have a report showing all this harassment, but the people who were supposedly harassed weren't offended at all. "Tiggles" wrote a letter explaining how she liked her nickname, and loved her time in the band.

I didn't read "Tiggles" letter, but I did read one from "Joobs."

Jul 30, 2014 11:28am

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 11:44 AM Jul 30, 2014 11:44 AM

I think some of those band members just liked the attention by getting sexual nicknames and such as they probably never got any in HS.

Jul 30, 2014 11:44am

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 12:07 PM Jul 30, 2014 12:07 PM

^^^
I heard "Flab Hole" and "Knob Slobber" weren't real happy about theirs...

Jul 30, 2014 12:07pm

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 12:14 PM Jul 30, 2014 12:14 PM

Tiernan;1640161 wrote:^^^
I heard "Flab Hole" and "Knob Slobber" weren't real happy about theirs...

Well your sisters didnt mind the names at the time...

Jul 30, 2014 12:14pm

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 12:17 PM Jul 30, 2014 12:17 PM

Yeah it was really Mom who was pissed the most...

Jul 30, 2014 12:17pm

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 12:18 PM Jul 30, 2014 12:18 PM

Tiernan;1640166 wrote:Yeah it was really Mom who was pissed the most...

Well she earned that Fupa Queen nickname she earned.

Jul 30, 2014 12:18pm

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 12:19 PM Jul 30, 2014 12:19 PM

WebFire;1640126 wrote:I'm sure tOSU gives a shit that some former band geeks are demanding his job back.

I posted that to show that the investigation was seriously lacking in thoroughness in that the only testimony to what happened was by those who were disgruntled.

Jul 30, 2014 12:19pm

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 12:27 PM Jul 30, 2014 12:27 PM

Scarlet_Buckeye;1640139 wrote:Which would you be more likely to believe... an official investigative report... or a bunch of former band members trying to protect their band's legacy and traditions... Hmmmmmm....

Just because a report is labelled "an official investigative report" and bears the Universities' name on it, doesn't mean it was thorough and conducted fairly.
This looks more like a railroad job by the way it was conducted.

Jul 30, 2014 12:27pm

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 8:13 PM Jul 30, 2014 8:13 PM

thavoice;1640156 wrote:I think some of those band members just liked the attention by getting sexual nicknames and such as they will probably never get any

Fixed

Jul 30, 2014 8:13pm

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Wed, Jul 30, 2014 8:47 PM Jul 30, 2014 8:47 PM

HitsRus;1640172 wrote:Just because a report is labelled "an official investigative report" and bears the Universities' name on it, doesn't mean it was thorough and conducted fairly.
This looks more like a railroad job by the way it was conducted.

Absolutely right.

We've seen other "official" reports at Ohio State that are political fix its such as the one that "exposed" the horrors of tattoo-gate.

Jul 30, 2014 8:47pm

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Thu, Jul 31, 2014 4:46 PM Jul 31, 2014 4:46 PM

Yeah, it's not over...Crazy isn't it. Waters submitted a 7 page report to the "investigators" who never even referenced it in their findings. The Alumni Band Association is pissed. Michael Drake isn't off to a very good start as university president.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/11290532/fired-ohio-state-buckeyes-band-director-says-was-fixing-vulgar-culture
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/outcry-over-firing-of-ohio-state-band-director/

reps O'Boogie

Jul 31, 2014 4:46pm

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Thu, Jul 31, 2014 4:52 PM Jul 31, 2014 4:52 PM

I didn't read the whole thread. Did he have a contract or was he an at-will employee?

Jul 31, 2014 4:52pm

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Fri, Aug 1, 2014 9:39 AM Aug 1, 2014 9:39 AM

Con_Alma;1640518 wrote:I didn't read the whole thread. Did he have a contract or was he an at-will employee?

gonna go out on a limb and say he had a contract

Aug 1, 2014 9:39am

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Fri, Aug 1, 2014 2:38 PM Aug 1, 2014 2:38 PM

What does it matter? The guy was made a scapegoat and convicted by a kangaroo court and it's pissed off alot of alumni.

Aug 1, 2014 2:38pm

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Sun, Aug 3, 2014 10:10 PM Aug 3, 2014 10:10 PM

Waters' supporters have not given up, as new questions arise about the band directors firing and the investigation that led to it.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ohio-state-band-directors-firing-sets-off-clash-24825497

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2014/07/31/columbus-ohio-fired-osu-band-director-says-he-was-fixing-vulgar-culture.html

Aug 3, 2014 10:10pm

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Sun, Aug 3, 2014 10:24 PM Aug 3, 2014 10:24 PM

his supporters need to get a life.

Aug 3, 2014 10:24pm

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Sun, Aug 3, 2014 10:30 PM Aug 3, 2014 10:30 PM

The investigation was a sham, therefore the conclusion it came to is also.

Aug 3, 2014 10:30pm

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Sun, Aug 3, 2014 10:41 PM Aug 3, 2014 10:41 PM

This thread was dead, just like the issue in the general public's mind. Save for a few band geeks, everyone finds his firing justified and a non-issue.

Conclusion: Stop crying.

Aug 3, 2014 10:41pm

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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 9:27 AM Aug 4, 2014 9:27 AM

^^^^Not an OSU alum???? STFU.

Nobody says you have to click on this, "newbie". Put your mouse aside and do something else.

Aug 4, 2014 9:27am

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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 9:33 AM Aug 4, 2014 9:33 AM

HelloAgain;1641161 wrote:This thread was dead, just like the issue in the general public's mind. Save for a few band geeks, everyone finds his firing justified and a non-issue.

Conclusion: Stop crying.

+1

Aug 4, 2014 9:33am

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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 7:03 PM Aug 4, 2014 7:03 PM

HitsRus;1641210 wrote:^^^^Not an OSU alum???? STFU.

Nobody says you have to click on this, "newbie". Put your mouse aside and do something else.

I am an OSU alum. We don't care about this. The band can come out and entertain us for 20 minutes while we wait for people that actually matter at the university to resume their football game. Outside of that, STFU and know your place.

Aug 4, 2014 7:03pm