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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Jul 17, 2014 5:35pm
No reason to make this political.
Obama and the administration are going to face enough grief on this. IMO it is deserved since the administration has been so weak (alright, that's sort of political) on dealing with Russia, and this only exacerbates the situation. But (I think do think it is a coincidence) another Malaysian flight fell and 295 people died senselessly. And the developed world is noticing this. That could have easily been BA, or Lufthansa, or Sing Air, Qantas, or even an Emirates flight that was in the airspace path.
The international response should be strong, not a tweet from Martha's Vineyard.
Obama and the administration are going to face enough grief on this. IMO it is deserved since the administration has been so weak (alright, that's sort of political) on dealing with Russia, and this only exacerbates the situation. But (I think do think it is a coincidence) another Malaysian flight fell and 295 people died senselessly. And the developed world is noticing this. That could have easily been BA, or Lufthansa, or Sing Air, Qantas, or even an Emirates flight that was in the airspace path.
The international response should be strong, not a tweet from Martha's Vineyard.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jul 17, 2014 5:40pm
I said earlier in the thread...
...apparently the fundraiser tonite is in NYC.Well, at least he's not going to a Vegas fundraiser....absolutely NOTHING can interfere with that.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jul 17, 2014 5:40pm
Seems to me that most of that stuff was happening throughout the Cold War era (especially from the late 70s on), except it was Russia in Afghanistan and interest rates were historically high instead of low.Manhattan Buckeye;1636982 wrote:This isn't meant to be political, but does it seem to everyone else that the world is spinning apart?
I'm not old enough to remember the turbulent 60's, but am old enough to remember the Cold War and this era seems to surpass it in uncertainty. We're seeing:
-Russia/Ukraine crisis with an embiggened (it is a perfectly cromulent word) Russia that has no fear of the US and our allies
-Israel/Gaza conflict
-General North Korea idiocy
-Inability to secure the US borders resulting in a humanitarian crisis - and immigration issues in Western Europe, particularly the UK
-India/Pakistan continuing debacle
-US and allies still in Afghanistan
-An economy that is supported primarily by historically and artificially low interest rates
-Rampant inflation in basic consumer goods and education costs resulting in record debt levels
-NSA spying even on our allies and own citizens
Am I missing anything else? Again, not being political (as much as possible) but I hardly believe this was the hope and change that the world has been expecting.
The Israeli-Palistinian thing has been going on since Israel was declared a state, India and Pakistan have been going at it for decades, North Korea has had insane leaders for decades, and the US government has always spied on citizens in some form or another. The more things change...
Ytowngirlinfla
Posts: 2,295
Jul 17, 2014 5:46pm
Why is Fox the only one reporting the 23 Americans? Why are they holding back on American passengers?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 17, 2014 5:49pm
Sounds about right.Mohican00;1636965 wrote:- plane reportedly shot down
- OC wants to bitch about the president's reaction
-Mohican quickly finds a way to get on his knees for incompetent president
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HelloAgain
Posts: 537
Jul 17, 2014 5:52pm
No worries, Bush stared into Putin's eyes and could tell he was a good man. I'm sure Vladimir will do the right thing
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Jul 17, 2014 5:52pm
"interest rates were historically high instead of low."
No kidding about that, dad bought a Chevy Blazer at the low, low, low rates of 7.9% around 1985. He thought it was the deal of the century.
Times have certainly changed!
No kidding about that, dad bought a Chevy Blazer at the low, low, low rates of 7.9% around 1985. He thought it was the deal of the century.
Times have certainly changed!
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HelloAgain
Posts: 537
Jul 17, 2014 5:53pm
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Jul 17, 2014 7:00pm
I would rather center the discussion around the incident and not lessen it with inane political cheap shots. Instead it has devolved into anti-Obama shitfest with you and your ilk knob-slobbing each other over what he said.like_that;1637017 wrote:Sounds about right.
Anyway, some think the Russians fucked up and accidentally shot it down
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-passenger-jet-shot-down-over-ukraine/"It wasn't the separatists, although Russia will try to blame them, or blame the Ukrainians," Peters said. "The Russians have not given the separatists complex, high-altitude air-defense systems. If this airliner was flying at 34,000 feet or any altitude close to that, it was shot down by Russian military air-defense systems perched on the Ukrainian border."
Peters said the Russian military has been shooting down Ukrainian military aircraft in recent weeks, and most likely mistook the airliner for a Ukrainian military aircraft.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Jul 17, 2014 7:05pm
The other networks are probably waiting for actual factsYtowngirlinfla;1637012 wrote:Why is Fox the only one reporting the 23 Americans? Why are they holding back on American passengers?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 17, 2014 7:12pm
Lol yeah, because other news networks are allllllll about facts.ts1227;1637029 wrote:The other networks are probably waiting for actual facts
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Jul 17, 2014 7:34pm
"Instead it has devolved into anti-Obama shitfest with you and your ilk knob-slobbing each other over what he said."
Political forum.
And this part of being the President, regardless of how much it cramps his Martha's Vineyard style. You are the chief executive and a huge part of our world geography is hanging by a thread. Other Presidents have had to deal with this.
Political forum.
And this part of being the President, regardless of how much it cramps his Martha's Vineyard style. You are the chief executive and a huge part of our world geography is hanging by a thread. Other Presidents have had to deal with this.
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Jul 17, 2014 7:50pm
Well then talk about how the president will/could/should handle it and bring the conversation (lol) back to what happened. And learn how to use the fucking quote functionManhattan Buckeye;1637034 wrote:And this part of being the President, regardless of how much it cramps his Martha's Vineyard style. You are the chief executive and a huge part of our world geography is hanging by a thread. Other Presidents have had to deal with this.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Jul 17, 2014 7:56pm
I didn't watch the video. He embarrassed The Office, though? Did he not use a "That's what she said" joke correctly during the speech?QuakerOats;1636963 wrote:And then proceeded with jokes and prepared remarks. What a complete embarrassment to The Office.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696366/It-looks-like-terrible-tragedy-Obama-briefly-addresses-Malaysian-plane-crash-emerges-23-U-S-passengers-board.html
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Jul 17, 2014 8:12pm
Mohican00;1637036 wrote:Well then talk about how the president will/could/should handle it and bring the conversation (lol) back to what happened. And learn how to use the fucking quote function
With dignity and directness that this activity shouldn't be tolerated. History has shown his experience, or lack thereof in the past - can we talk about the "shout-out" to some American Indian jokingly after the Army base shootings at Ft. W]Hood?
There is a place for decorum. Say what you will about the British Royal Family, they at least they act with class and proper dignity. If perhaps our Commander in Chief had some more experience, and well, anything, he'd represent our country better.
- edit, does my use of the quote function work to your benefit, Mohican...god your posts are terrible
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 17, 2014 8:34pm
Aaaaaand that's British dick
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Jul 17, 2014 8:36pm
In their official capacity....Jesus Christ on a tractor, do people realize how big of a deal this is? You have to go back to 1988 to get the US-Iran incident (which at least had some semblance of context), and before that the Russian-Korean incidents.
If reports are correct, Russian separatists killed nearly 300 people on a passenger flight. What if that was a British Airways flight? We'd be dangerously close to WWIII.
If reports are correct, Russian separatists killed nearly 300 people on a passenger flight. What if that was a British Airways flight? We'd be dangerously close to WWIII.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 17, 2014 9:07pm
I haven't commented on Obama's comments. You do go out of your way to blindly defend him though. I honestly dgaf who the president is, that response from a POTUS is just pathetic.Mohican00;1637028 wrote:I would rather center the discussion around the incident and not lessen it with inane political cheap shots. Instead it has devolved into anti-Obama shitfest with you and your ilk knob-slobbing each other over what he said.
Anyway, some think the Russians fucked up and accidentally shot it down
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-passenger-jet-shot-down-over-ukraine/
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Jul 17, 2014 9:13pm
Where are you guys seeing 23 Americans were killed in this plane crash? CNN is saying no Americans to report yet?
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Jul 17, 2014 9:33pm
Who says this doesn't push us towards it? Honestly WWI was started by an assassination on the Austrian heir by a SerbManhattan Buckeye;1637053 wrote:In their official capacity....Jesus Christ on a tractor, do people realize how big of a deal this is? You have to go back to 1988 to get the US-Iran incident (which at least had some semblance of context), and before that the Russian-Korean incidents.
If reports are correct, Russian separatists killed nearly 300 people on a passenger flight. What if that was a British Airways flight? We'd be dangerously close to WWIII.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jul 17, 2014 9:36pm
This.TedSheckler;1636988 wrote:Obama calls the shot down plane a "terrible tragedy". Flying into a mountain with no visibility is a tragedy. Missiles aren't tragedy. It's murder.
Obie is getting buttfuked on the Twitter right now...and rightfully so. Pretty idiotic statement on his part.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jul 17, 2014 9:41pm
Reuters reported it. Hasn't been "officially" verified yet.shook_17;1637058 wrote:Where are you guys seeing 23 Americans were killed in this plane crash? CNN is saying no Americans to report yet?
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Jul 17, 2014 10:19pm
something something Royal Family. neatManhattan Buckeye;1637044 wrote:edit, does my use of the quote function work to your benefit, Mohican...god your posts are terrible
I'm just happy you were able to quote me properly. You're getting pretty good at this internet thing.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jul 18, 2014 10:13am
ts1227;1637029 wrote:The other networks are probably waiting for actual facts
Too funny.
Now back to reality; US already said plane was shot down. Amazing how that happens in less than 24 hours, halfway around the world. Yet, TWA 800 (which was downed in the same manner) was magically left to flutter away over several years, while more convenient excuses were drafted and peddled.
salto
Posts: 2,611
Jul 18, 2014 10:37am
Maybe if you were the only person on the plane.Tigerfan00;1636993 wrote:Did salto/Said think it was funny that people died?