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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jun 25, 2014 8:13am
...that two icons in the entertainment industry passed away.
http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/809599/farrah-fawcett-and-michael-jackson-dead-two-icons-one-day
http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/809599/farrah-fawcett-and-michael-jackson-dead-two-icons-one-day
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 25, 2014 8:16am
Was just watching a little bit of "This Is It" on Palladia the other night. The dude still had, as crazy as he was, he still had it.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 25, 2014 8:16am
Michael Jackson is a child abuser and a creepy mother fucker, icon he is not.
vdubb96
Posts: 2,210
Jun 25, 2014 8:49am
Thisccrunner609;1629851 wrote:yes he was but he still made some badass music
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Jun 25, 2014 8:59am
I guess he doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame.SportsAndLady;1629850 wrote:Michael Jackson is a child abuser and a creepy mother fucker, icon he is not.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 25, 2014 9:01am
Musical icon, yes. Icon, idol or role model of life, no.SportsAndLady;1629850 wrote:Michael Jackson is a child abuser and a creepy mother fucker, icon he is not.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jun 25, 2014 9:33am
SportsAndLady;1629850 wrote:Michael Jackson is a child abuser and a creepy mother fucker, icon he is not.
I agree, and that's why I clarified my OP as "icons in the entertainment industry".Laley23;1629862 wrote:Musical icon, yes. Icon, idol or role model of life, no.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 25, 2014 9:44am
Yep, I was on the same page as you and S&L. Just for different reasons, which is why I posted what I did.vball10set;1629867 wrote:I agree, and that's why I clarified my OP as "icons in the entertainment industry".
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jun 25, 2014 9:59am
Had a 20+ year career therefore, he is HOF worthy.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jun 25, 2014 10:15am
fifyccrunner609;1629851 wrote:yes he was but he still made some bad music
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 25, 2014 10:15am
Don't really care for either. I think Jason Derulo is better than Jackson ever was; Jackson just has the first mover advantage.
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Jun 25, 2014 10:19am
Is gary glitter HOF worthy too?Ironman92;1629873 wrote:Had a 20+ year career therefore, he is HOF worthy.
vdubb96
Posts: 2,210
Jun 25, 2014 10:41am
uh....serious?sleeper;1629878 wrote:Don't really care for either. I think Jason Derulo is better than Jackson ever was; Jackson just has the first mover advantage.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 25, 2014 11:17am
It's like anything else. Coke is just sugar and water that realistically doesn't taste any better than later Coke like products; however people build up a taste for what they consider to be 'Coke' and value judge that something that isn't coke can't be better than the original thing. Jackson is no different. His music is only great because he was the first to introduce his style of music and thus people think his is the best. The reality is, people are predictably boring and/or stupid and never decide things on their own. I'd much rather listen to songs by Jason Derulo than anything Jackson produced and Derulo is a much better dancer than Jackson as well.vdubb96;1629886 wrote:uh....serious?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 25, 2014 11:23am
Dont know if it is coincidental or on purpose that youve chosen Jason Derulo for this argument? The guy who is more obsessed with Michael Jackson than any other artist lol. He readily admits to copying, listening to him non stop and trying to be the dancer MJ was.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 25, 2014 11:25am
Yeah and blowing out a team 50-0 in football isn't a stomp, it's a battle and the other team put up a good fight. Come on man, do you really buy that bullshit? Even if its true(its not), the reality is he's a lot better than Jackson.Laley23;1629894 wrote:Dont know if it is coincidental or on purpose that youve chosen Jason Derulo for this argument? The guy who is more obsessed with Michael Jackson than any other artist lol. He readily admits to copying, listening to him non stop and trying to be the dancer MJ was.
Look at Lebron. He always says Jordan is his idol and he looks up to him, but the reality is Lebron is better than Jordan but good luck convincing nostalgic old people that their old shit isn't that great.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 25, 2014 11:32am
What is there to not believe? He isnt prompted to have Michael Jackson on his playlists or told to emulate his dancing on stage or required to do a tribute to him (ok, maybe that on is being requested).sleeper;1629895 wrote:Yeah and blowing out a team 50-0 in football isn't a stomp, it's a battle and the other team put up a good fight. Come on man, do you really buy that bullshit? Even if its true(its not), the reality is he's a lot better than Jackson.
Look at Lebron. He always says Jordan is his idol and he looks up to him, but the reality is Lebron is better than Jordan but good luck convincing nostalgic old people that their old shit isn't that great.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 25, 2014 11:35am
Again, you are delusional. I don't feel like explaining it to you; its much more fun to let you bathe in your own ignorance.Laley23;1629899 wrote:What is there to not believe? He isnt prompted to have Michael Jackson on his playlists or told to emulate his dancing on stage or required to do a tribute to him (ok, maybe that on is being requested).
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jun 25, 2014 11:38am
Any chance that Derulo and LBJ are better than MJ and MJ because of them??? I already have a pretty good idea what your sarcastic answer will be, but humor me.sleeper;1629895 wrote:Yeah and blowing out a team 50-0 in football isn't a stomp, it's a battle and the other team put up a good fight. Come on man, do you really buy that bullshit? Even if its true(its not), the reality is he's a lot better than Jackson.
Look at Lebron. He always says Jordan is his idol and he looks up to him, but the reality is Lebron is better than Jordan but good luck convincing nostalgic old people that their old shit isn't that great.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 25, 2014 11:40am
lol, Im not even arguing one way or the other. Its music, it is 100% preferential. I just really found it kind of humorous that you picked the ONE guy who was extremely vocal about his love of MJ and style and everything. Dedicating entire shows to him and everything.sleeper;1629901 wrote:Again, you are delusional. I don't feel like explaining it to you; its much more fun to let you bathe in your own ignorance.
I honestly wasnt sure if it was purposeful or not.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 25, 2014 11:43am
Hard to say but unlikely. This isn't a product. I mean I can see the argument of say the cell phone whereas the phones today are derived on incremental increases of technology from the initial product. I'm not sure how that translate into people. But LBJ and Derulo would be just as good now from natural talent than either MJ or MJ. I'm not sure why we have an obsession of Jackson's music; it doesn't seem that great and probably only exists as great from people unwilling to waste time trying to convince stupid people that the status quo is likely incorrect.vball10set;1629903 wrote:Any chance that Derulo and LBJ are better than MJ and MJ because of them??? I already know what your sarcastic answer will be, but humor me.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 25, 2014 11:44am
No it was not purposeful. I think Derulo is better than Jackson in every way(and Derulo never molested children).Laley23;1629904 wrote:lol, Im not even arguing one way or the other. Its music, it is 100% preferential. I just really found it kind of humorous that you picked the ONE guy who was extremely vocal about his love of MJ and style and everything. Dedicating entire shows to him and everything.
I honestly wasnt sure if it was purposeful or not.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jun 25, 2014 11:49am
lol, almost did it w/o the sarcasm, but pretty good post regardless...well done!sleeper;1629906 wrote:Hard to say but unlikely. This isn't a product. I mean I can see the argument of say the cell phone whereas the phones today are derived on incremental increases of technology from the initial product. I'm not sure how that translate into people. But LBJ and Derulo would be just as good now from natural talent than either MJ or MJ. I'm not sure why we have an obsession of Jackson's music; it doesn't seem that great and probably only exists as great from people unwilling to waste time trying to convince stupid people that the status quo is likely incorrect.
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Jun 25, 2014 12:02pm
Sleeper, you tool! Michael Jackson was sponsored by Pepsi! NOT COKE!!!!!!!!!! Like, duh!sleeper;1629891 wrote:It's like anything else. Coke is just sugar and water that realistically doesn't taste any better than later Coke like products; however people build up a taste for what they consider to be 'Coke' and value judge that something that isn't coke can't be better than the original thing. Jackson is no different. His music is only great because he was the first to introduce his style of music and thus people think his is the best. The reality is, people are predictably boring and/or stupid and never decide things on their own. I'd much rather listen to songs by Jason Derulo than anything Jackson produced and Derulo is a much better dancer than Jackson as well.
You're the Pepsi generation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po0jY4WvCIc
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Jun 25, 2014 12:10pm
Jason Derulo? Isn't that that ****** who sings his name all the fucking time?
I'm not really a fan of Michael Jackson, but if I were to try devalue others' opinions of him I'd use someone other than a B-rate version of Usher
I'm not really a fan of Michael Jackson, but if I were to try devalue others' opinions of him I'd use someone other than a B-rate version of Usher