Lied to yet again.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/flashback-carney-said-no-decision-about-transferring-detainees-for-bergdahl-would-happen-without-consulting-congress/

Mohican00;1621936 wrote:Imma big ol' hypocrite right there with BHO cause I speed (breaking the US laws according to our US constiutions while wanting US rights and constitutions for detainnee terrorists)

You get caught, you will serve a punishment. Obama was caught breaking the law....

Keep blindly defending him though.

like_that;1621934 wrote:Probably one of the more comical deflections I have seen.

I don't think there is much debate. The dude broke the law and should be held accountable. Just like if I was caught speeding (LOL Mohican) I would be held accountable.

When did I say he shouldn't be held accountable?

I believe he had to do what he needed to given Bergdahl's health.

The speeding ticket was just a comparison to the pettiness the law broken by the president (still a law broken mind you) given the supposed circumstances.

like_that;1621941 wrote:You get caught, you will serve a punishment. Obama was caught breaking the law....

Keep blindly defending him though.

Never said anything about him not being held accountable for breaking the law. But I feel he had to do it.

But you would be ok with letting a captured Sergeant sit until congress ok'd the transfer of the gitmo detainees (which would not necessarily only take 30 days) knowing that Bergdahl's safety and health were both in jeopardy?

ohiobucks1;1621931 wrote:"Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon of California and Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma said in a statement that Obama is required by law to notify Congress 30 days before any terrorists are transferred from the U.S. facility. They said Obama also is required to explain how the threat posed by such terrorists has been substantially mitigated."


BO did neither of these two things. It's against the law (according to multiple congressman). I was all for defending his Coal reduction as I want to reduce our greenhouse emissions. This is impossible (without such a bias that you seem ridiculous - looking at you Mohican and Isadore) to justify in my eyes.

I just want to see this law. and again, If the people are being detained for breaking the law, BHO can commute thier sentence. It's a moot point.

Mohican00;1621943 wrote:Never said anything about him not being held accountable for breaking the law. But I feel he had to do it.

But you would be ok with letting a captured Sergeant sit until congress ok'd the transfer of the gitmo detainees (which would not necessarily only take 30 days) knowing that Bergdahl's safety and health were both in jeopardy?

For a traitor? Yes. Not to mention (as I said before) they had FIVE fucking years to get him back. The health is a cop out excuse for Obama to take another shit and do whatever the fuck he wants.

Mohican00;1621943 wrote:Never said anything about him not being held accountable for breaking the law. But I feel he had to do it.

But you would be ok with letting a captured Sergeant sit until congress ok'd the transfer of the gitmo detainees (which would not necessarily only take 30 days) knowing that Bergdahl's safety and health were both in jeopardy?

I'd like to see a little more documentation than a "because I said so" from Chuck Hagel on this. For instance, from your cited article:

Bergdahl, in good condition and able to walk, was handed over to U.S. special operations forces by the Taliban in an area of eastern Afghanistan, near the Pakistani border, U.S. officials said.

If "intelligence said his health was deteriorating," I'm sure said intelligence would have some specifics that the voters might be interested in knowing.

Devils Advocate;1621944 wrote:I just want to see this law. and again, If the people are being detained for breaking the law, BHO can commute thier sentence. It's a moot point.

This. Which law is it? I've not seen it cited in any articles or forums or speeches. Just heard people saying that he broke the law.

" believe he had to do what he needed to given Bergdahl's health"

The only thing unhealthy is his strange father's beard. This is looking worse and worse and it is angering my friends in the military that can't get promoted because they might have a tattoo "too large" or otherwise are being forced out with cutbacks yet this guy got promoted?

I Wear Pants;1621948 wrote:This. Which law is it? I've not seen it cited in any articles or forums or speeches. Just heard people saying that he broke the law.

The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2013.

fish82;1621963 wrote:The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2013.

That's only slightly less vague then before.

Someone on the Army Reddit said what I've been trying to say much more effectively than I have:

1) We should make every effort to recover any POW, regardless of the circumstances of capture. From the legal standpoint, he needs to be investigated and charged with potential crimes, if the facts of the investigation support it. But first and foremost, he needed to be recovered before any thing else could take place. If he committed crimes, he needed to be recovered and punished by us, not by the Taliban.

2) People died looking for him. It's a terrible thing. He'll have to live with that for the rest of his life. If he was just some dumb kid who did inexplicably dumb things, then how is he different from anyone else in war who gets others killed? Ethically, it's similar to friendly fire incidents. Now if he maliciously deserted his post with the intent to join the enemy - that's a whole different ballgame. I'm not convinced one way or the other yet, but I hope an investigation uncovers all the details and he is charged (or not) in accordance with the facts of the case.

3) Prisoner exchange. Frankly - this is kind of a win/win for the government. The administration doesn't like having the extra-judicial prison at Gitmo any more than most of us do. They've been trying to find a way to transfer the prisoners away for years. Some have been released, others transitioned to civilian courts, still others have been extradited to other countries. Figuring out what to do with the rest has been hard. Other countries don't want them, we don't have standards of legal proof required to get them convicted of crimes in the civilian justice system, etc. Long story short - this lets us reduce the number of people jailed there while providing convenient justification. I'm sure there have been efforts to mitigate the threat that these released prisoners pose. Maybe releasing them and observing them 'in the wild' actually yields better intel from them then we could hope to gain by keeping them locked up indefinitely?

Let's not forget - he's one of us. Mabye a fuck-up, maybe an embarrassment, maybe confused and disconnected, but still a US Service-member.

Devils Advocate;1621944 wrote:I just want to see this law. and again, If the people are being detained for breaking the law, BHO can commute thier sentence. It's a moot point.

He could but he didn't. He chose to overstep his powers

Devils Advocate;1621903 wrote:There are many Christians that would love to have the US the same way. But religion aside, how would you view an armed invader of your own country?

How would I view liberators who saved my country from a hateful oppressive regime. Gosh if I was a woman or anyone who does not happen to be a Pashtun Sunni fanatic you suffered I would have been damn glad to see them. Gosh a ruddies 60% showed up to vote in their Presidential election despite a bombing and assassination campaign by the freedom fighters you admire. And the two leading candidates for the both supported US troops remaining in their nation. (57.5% in 2012 US Presidential election)

I Wear Pants;1621964 wrote:That's only slightly less vague then before.

Someone on the Army Reddit said what I've been trying to say much more effectively than I have:

1) We should make every effort to recover any POW, regardless of the circumstances of capture. From the legal standpoint, he needs to be investigated and charged with potential crimes, if the facts of the investigation support it. But first and foremost, he needed to be recovered before any thing else could take place. If he committed crimes, he needed to be recovered and punished by us, not by the Taliban.

2) People died looking for him. It's a terrible thing. He'll have to live with that for the rest of his life. If he was just some dumb kid who did inexplicably dumb things, then how is he different from anyone else in war who gets others killed? Ethically, it's similar to friendly fire incidents. Now if he maliciously deserted his post with the intent to join the enemy - that's a whole different ballgame. I'm not convinced one way or the other yet, but I hope an investigation uncovers all the details and he is charged (or not) in accordance with the facts of the case.

3) Prisoner exchange. Frankly - this is kind of a win/win for the government. The administration doesn't like having the extra-judicial prison at Gitmo any more than most of us do. They've been trying to find a way to transfer the prisoners away for years. Some have been released, others transitioned to civilian courts, still others have been extradited to other countries. Figuring out what to do with the rest has been hard. Other countries don't want them, we don't have standards of legal proof required to get them convicted of crimes in the civilian justice system, etc. Long story short - this lets us reduce the number of people jailed there while providing convenient justification. I'm sure there have been efforts to mitigate the threat that these released prisoners pose. Maybe releasing them and observing them 'in the wild' actually yields better intel from them then we could hope to gain by keeping them locked up indefinitely?

Let's not forget - he's one of us. Mabye a fuck-up, maybe an embarrassment, maybe confused and disconnected, but still a US Service-member.

Army reddit??

Debate over!

Still doesn't change the fact that your messiah broke the law.

Watching a report on this on ABC World News and I want to puke. This little pos should be court marshaled for desertion at the very least.

I Wear Pants;1621964 wrote:That's only slightly less vague then before.

You asked. I answered. I'm not sure what you think is vague about it.

fish82;1621977 wrote:You asked. I answered. I'm not sure what you think is vague about it.

I took it as he's too lazy to Google it.

Hey Pants he may be one of you but he sure as hell ain't one of "us". His own platoon survivors are sick about this...six of their real brothers are dead because this little turd walked away because he couldn't hack it pure and simple but still they went out into hostile territory to bring his ass back to save him from torture. This dumb fuck is exactly like the rest of the spineless liberal shits running the country...we are in serious trouble as a nation folks and this should be a huge knock on the door people...wake up before its too late.

I Wear Pants;1621859 wrote:Please. Masterminds? Everyone we capture is a "high ranking Taliban member". It's like they're all generals.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/look-at-five-taliban-commanders-set-free-in-prisoner-exchange/. Here's some reading for you. Do you just like being wrong?

Tiernan;1621980 wrote:Hey Pants he may be one of you but he sure as hell ain't one of "us". His own platoon survivors are sick about this...six of their real brothers are dead because this little turd walked away because he couldn't hack it pure and simple but still they went out into hostile territory to bring his ass back to save him from torture. This dumb fuck is exactly like the rest of the spineless liberal shits running the country...we are in serious trouble as a nation folks and this should be a huge knock on the door people...wake up before its too late.

And if that's the case he should face the consequences of it. But we shouldn't leave our soldiers in captivity just because they weren't prototypical hero types (this guy seems a very far cry from that but still if he's a traitor we should bring him to justice with our system, not let him rot in a cave or god forbid help the Taliban).

iclfan2;1621987 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/look-at-five-taliban-commanders-set-free-in-prisoner-exchange/. Here's some reading for you. Do you just like being wrong?

Fox News is not credible. /libtardlogic

like_that;1621971 wrote:Army reddit??

Debate over!

Still doesn't change the fact that your messiah broke the law.

Me saying it was from the Army Reddit wasn't an appeal to credibility. I just cite where I got shit I didn't write.

like_that;1621990 wrote:Fox News is not credible. /libtardlogic

The critique of that would be that McCain sees terrorists in his Cheerios.

Granted we shouldn't leave them in captivity...but we don't have to trade high value assets for a PFC either. Keep looking for them and rescue as is appropriate.

Tiernan;1621993 wrote:Granted we shouldn't leave them in captivity...but we don't have to trade high value assets for a PFC either. Keep looking for them and rescue as is appropriate.

We're leaving Afghanistan soon, at some point we have to return those people to someplace. You don't just keep POWs forever.

POWs are different than War Criminals dumbass