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Mohican00;1621867 wrote:So what's more important to you? Adhering to a 30 day transfer notice to Congress while the only remaining captured soldier that you've know about for years is in serious declining health? Or reinforcement our nation's commitment to leave no service member behind?
Considering they had FIVE fucking years to get him back I will choose the former.

They most likely knew they weren't going to get approval so they were like "fuck it, what's the worst that can happen?"

Edit: I meant to say "former."
Jun 2, 2014 12:32pm
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I Wear Pants;1621859 wrote:Please. Masterminds? Everyone we capture is a "high ranking Taliban member". It's like they're all generals.

Sympathizing with terrorists? What are you a child? Asking questions about the nature and length of confinement doesn't equate to supporting terrorism.

Either way, even if we assume the dude is a scumbag deserter he's still an American citizen and any punishment or anything like that should be dealt by us, not with a machete and a video camera in a cave.
sympathizing with terrorists
I wear pants wrote: So we have the right to just run roughshod over anyone and they are automatically the bad guys for using gorilla/brutal tactics that are their only real way to fight.
Jun 2, 2014 12:32pm
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Is it no service member left behind if he walked into it? Had he been captured, sure I'd have wanted them to get him (not by exchanging prisoners though). If he indeed walked into enemy areas because he didn't care anymore than I don't think the don't leave anyone behind is in effect. Your word capture doesn't hold weight if you openly walked into enemy areas for shits and gigs. There is a reason no one who served with this guy is defending him. On the contrary almost everyone who has spoken out didn't like him as think he left on his own (that I have seen).
Jun 2, 2014 12:33pm
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Mohican00;1621867 wrote:So what's more important to you? Adhering to a 30 day transfer notice to Congress while the only remaining captured soldier that you've know about for years is in serious declining health? Or reinforcement our nation's commitment to leave no service member behind?
You said captured....
Jun 2, 2014 12:34pm
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Midstate01;1621873 wrote:You said captured....
sorry, meant captive.

And it's not that I don't ultimately feel he did not abandon his post, but bring him back and have him held responsible for any UCMJ violation he may have committed.
Jun 2, 2014 12:39pm
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isadore;1621871 wrote:sympathizing with terrorists
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So we have the right to just run roughshod over anyone and they are automatically the bad guys for using gorilla/brutal tactics that are their only real way to fight.
Nice try there but that quote seems to be talking about war tactics not terrorism. Also guerrilla is spelled wrong so I'm clearly an idiot anyway.
Jun 2, 2014 12:40pm
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I Wear Pants;1621875 wrote:Nice try there but that quote seems to be talking about war tactics not terrorism. Also guerrilla is spelled wrong so I'm clearly an idiot anyway.
it is a direct word for word quote from use, you chose to use gorilla.
"brutal"
is quite descriptive of the tactics of the Taliban including the five men we have returned to them. Tactics you justify.
Jun 2, 2014 12:49pm
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Isatard, we know you are a muslimphile. How would you defend your homeland if it were invaded? I'm guessing it would be pitbulls and Molotov cocktails., or more accurately run like the little P ussy that you are.
Jun 2, 2014 12:54pm
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You can just look at his anti-Govt, Survivalist, Idaho Dad and tell this kid was a fuck-up long before he ever put on the desert camo. (I'd do the Mom tho)
Jun 2, 2014 1:10pm
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Devils Advocate;1621879 wrote:Isatard, we know you are a muslimphile. How would you defend your homeland if it were invaded? I'm guessing it would be pitbulls and Molotov cocktails., or more accurately run like the little P ussy that you are.
Gosh a ruddies what an interesting view of the Taliban as freedom fighters rather than as theocratic oppressors of the most heinous sort. During their reign in power women, religious minorities and anyone else who did not fit into their narrow world view suffered. But to you these Islamic fundamentalist fanatics are heroic.
Jun 2, 2014 1:27pm
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Tiernan;1621883 wrote: (I'd do the Mom tho)
No.
Jun 2, 2014 1:29pm
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isadore;1621887 wrote:Gosh a ruddies what an interesting view of the Taliban as freedom fighters rather than as theocratic oppressors of the most heinous sort. During their reign in power women, religious minorities and anyone else who did not fit into their narrow world view suffered. But to you these Islamic fundamentalist fanatics are heroic.
There are many Christians that would love to have the US the same way. But religion aside, how would you view an armed invader of your own country?
Jun 2, 2014 2:21pm
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[RIGHT]How many soldiers died trying to search and rescue him. How many soldiers died while capturing the 5 members of Taliban that we released. [/RIGHT]

I also have to LOL at you trying to act like these 5 that were released weren't important to our enemy. If they were not important why were they the 5 asked for by them. It's a victory for the Taliban.
Jun 2, 2014 2:35pm
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BTW how come the same people who say the prisoners at Gitmo should go through the due process according to our laws and constitution don't care when Obama ignores those same laws and constitution.
Jun 2, 2014 2:41pm
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sportchampps;1621909 wrote:BTW how come the same people who say the prisoners at Gitmo should go through the due process according to our laws and constitution don't care when Obama ignores those same laws and constitution.

It's hypocrisy.


It's also especially ironic, because those who argue what you mentioned would rather give rights to those who deserve them than care that our president is breaking those same laws/rights
Jun 2, 2014 2:54pm
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Well, look at it this way. There are now 5 less people getting better care than our soldiers at the VA.
Jun 2, 2014 3:20pm
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ohiobucks1;1621911 wrote:It's hypocrisy.


It's also especially ironic, because those who argue what you mentioned would rather give rights to those who deserve them than care that our president is breaking those same laws/rights
BHO has the power to commute them with out anything in return. what law specifically are you referring to?
Jun 2, 2014 3:34pm
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sportchampps;1621909 wrote:BTW how come the same people who say the prisoners at Gitmo should go through the due process according to our laws and constitution don't care when Obama ignores those same laws and constitution.
I don't think they should have the same legal protections as US citizens but that there should be a process for them to get a trial of some sort.

I don't recall seeing or saying anything about Obama being exempt from the laws and constitution, he shouldn't be. Also, what did he do that was unconstitutional (real question, I don't remember an Article about prisoner exchanges so I'm wondering how this thing relates to the constitution)?
Jun 2, 2014 3:36pm
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sportchampps;1621909 wrote:BTW how come the same people who say the prisoners at Gitmo should go through the due process according to our laws and constitution don't care when Obama ignores those same laws and constitution.

So, since this is black and white, you are comparing a 5th amendment right to a 30 day transfer notice of Gitmo detainees?

Just making sure
Jun 2, 2014 3:37pm
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Devils Advocate;1621924 wrote:BHO has the power to commute them with out anything in return. what law specifically are you referring to?
"Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon of California and Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma said in a statement that Obama is required by law to notify Congress 30 days before any terrorists are transferred from the U.S. facility. They said Obama also is required to explain how the threat posed by such terrorists has been substantially mitigated."


BO did neither of these two things. It's against the law (according to multiple congressman). I was all for defending his Coal reduction as I want to reduce our greenhouse emissions. This is impossible (without such a bias that you seem ridiculous - looking at you Mohican and Isadore) to justify in my eyes.
Jun 2, 2014 3:43pm
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Mohican00;1621928 wrote:So, since this is black and white, you are comparing a 5th amendment right to a 30 day transfer notice of Gitmo detainees?

Just making sure
And you're comparing the president breaking the 30 day transfer notice to a speeding ticket. Lol.
Jun 2, 2014 3:44pm
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Mohican00;1621928 wrote:So, since this is black and white, you are comparing a 5th amendment right to a 30 day transfer notice of Gitmo detainees?

Just making sure
I know this is just a cyclical argument, but why should a non-us citizen who commits terrorists acts receive 5th amendment rights?
Jun 2, 2014 3:45pm
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SportsAndLady;1621932 wrote:And you're comparing the president breaking the 30 day transfer notice to a speeding ticket. Lol.
Probably one of the more comical deflections I have seen.

I don't think there is much debate. The dude broke the law and should be held accountable. Just like if I was caught speeding (LOL Mohican) I would be held accountable.
Jun 2, 2014 3:49pm
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SportsAndLady;1621932 wrote:And you're comparing the president breaking the 30 day transfer notice to a speeding ticket. Lol.
Imma big ol' hypocrite right there with BHO cause I speed (breaking the US laws according to our US constiutions while wanting US rights and constitutions for detainnee terrorists)
Jun 2, 2014 3:52pm