Pick6
Posts: 14,946
May 28, 2014 2:56pm
why have you been working in IT for 7 years and still looking for entry level positions?dlazz;1620271 wrote:In my experience, once you become "mid-career" status, it's incredibly easy to find other jobs. It seems like most of the jobs out there are for mid-to-high level positions. There's a whole metric fuckton of Project Manager jobs out there.
The entry-level "skilled" positions are a pain in the ass to find. Basically the only ones you get are shitty sales jobs (which Classyposter apparently is super pumped about) and jobs that require no degree at all (and thus pay terrible).
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MontyBrunswick
May 28, 2014 3:07pm
No, which is why the job market sucks.Pick6;1620357 wrote:why have you been working in IT for 7 years and still looking for entry level positions?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 28, 2014 3:21pm
Like I said, I do not know a single engineer out there having a hard time finding work. The current unemployment rate for engineers statistically backs up my anecdotal evidence of those people I know.Pick6;1620356 wrote:my old roommate is in mechanical engineering and he gets solicited for internships and co-ops. Anyone find it kind of annoying that Manhattan doesnt even live in the states and he is an expert on the job economy?
I would have to believe that any industry that is in the 2-4% unemployment range would have similar ease in finding work.
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georgemc80
Posts: 983
May 28, 2014 4:10pm
dlazz;1620334 wrote:College isn't that expensive unless you're going to a private school, which makes you an idiot.
Nobody is going to want to front capital to a 18 year old with no education in today's economy unless they're onto something big (probably technology oriented)
Actually private schools are priced to be competitive with state schools. Especially with tuition discounting or what they call merit scholarships.
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MontyBrunswick
May 28, 2014 4:14pm
Base tuition at Otterbein is $31424georgemc80;1620386 wrote:Actually private schools are priced to be competitive with state schools.
Base tuition at Miami OH is $13266
If that's "competitive" then pass me whatever you're puffin on
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
May 28, 2014 4:16pm
Cost of attendance will come out about equal unless your family is wealthy. Few students at either pay "sticker price".dlazz;1620387 wrote:Base tuition at Otterbein is $31424
Base tuition at Miami OH is $13266
If that's "competitive" then pass me whatever you're puffin on
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
May 28, 2014 4:30pm
A chick I'm talking to graduating from a private school with 25k in debt. I graduated from public with nearly 50k.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
May 28, 2014 5:20pm
As someone who's gone to a private school and a public school I call shenanigans on this.georgemc80;1620386 wrote:Actually private schools are priced to be competitive with state schools. Especially with tuition discounting or what they call merit scholarships.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
May 28, 2014 5:25pm
Out-of-state pharmacy school costs me $43k per year.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
May 28, 2014 6:01pm
Why? Wouldn't neoucom or whatever it is now have been much cheaper? 6 or 7 year program?GOONx19;1620407 wrote:Out-of-state pharmacy school costs me $43k per year.
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georgemc80
Posts: 983
May 28, 2014 6:06pm
Ok, don't get in the pool unless you know how to swim. I post facts.
From Otterbein.edu and their financial aid calculator.
25 ACT 1
250 SAT 3.5 GPA Family of 4 one in college 100000 income. (Room and Board)
My word is competitive not shenanigans
Lower to 55000 and you get this: no room and board
Your Estimated Package:
From Otterbein.edu and their financial aid calculator.
25 ACT 1
| Otterbein Scholarships | $14,000 |
|---|---|
| Grants | $2,500 |
| Work Study | $1,500 |
| Loans | $5,500 |
| Tuition, Room & Board | $40,464 |
| Out of Pocket Cost | $16,964 |
My word is competitive not shenanigans
Lower to 55000 and you get this: no room and board
Your Estimated Package:
| Otterbein Scholarships | $14,000 |
|---|---|
| Grants | $1,895 |
| Work Study | $1,500 |
| Loans | $5,500 |
| Tuition, Room & Board | $31,424 |
| Out of Pocket Cost | $8,529 |
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MontyBrunswick
May 28, 2014 7:34pm
You're implying everyone gets a whole shit ton of scholarships each semester (throughout their entire college career, no less) as well as work study.georgemc80;1620416 wrote:Ok, don't get in the pool unless you know how to swim. I post facts.
From Otterbein.edu and their financial aid calculator.
25 ACT 1250 SAT 3.5 GPA Family of 4 one in college 100000 income. (Room and Board)
Otterbein Scholarships $14,000 Grants $2,500 Work Study $1,500 Loans $5,500 Tuition, Room & Board $40,464 Out of Pocket Cost $16,964
My word is competitive not shenanigans
Lower to 55000 and you get this: no room and board
Your Estimated Package:
Otterbein Scholarships $14,000 Grants $1,895 Work Study $1,500 Loans $5,500 Tuition, Room & Board $31,424 Out of Pocket Cost $8,529
That applies to nearly nobody. Nice try, though.
Private schools are more expensive. Period. It doesn't matter how you try and spin it.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
May 28, 2014 8:17pm
I disagree. Private schools have to do that to actually get people to enroll, or else it's basically a no brainer decision.dlazz;1620419 wrote:You're implying everyone gets a whole shit ton of scholarships each semester (throughout their entire college career, no less) as well as work study.
That applies to nearly nobody. Nice try, though.
Private schools are more expensive. Period. It doesn't matter how you try and spin it.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
May 28, 2014 8:58pm
^^^^not necessarliy ...private schools can boast smaller class sizes that are not taught by foreign graduate assistants.
OSH
Posts: 4,145
May 28, 2014 9:31pm
Pick6;1620424 wrote:I disagree. Private schools have to do that to actually get people to enroll, or else it's basically a no brainer decision.
I agree with both of these.HitsRus;1620435 wrote:^^^^not necessarliy ...private schools can boast smaller class sizes that are not taught by foreign graduate assistants.
As a product of private schools, and an employee of 3 different private schools, I know that they DO and CAN make things very affordable. Yes, there are many private schools that don't...just like there are numerous public schools that don't -- I am currently in conversation with a student who attends KU (University of Kansas) and I know I can immediately cut his costs by $3,000 per year, if not more. There are many scholarships offered by private schools that are not available at public schools. Unfortunately, the sticker price can scare a lot of students away...which can be a positive thing or negative thing.
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MontyBrunswick
May 28, 2014 9:48pm
I really really REALLY doubt they slash the price to the point where they're as cheap as their public counterparts.Pick6;1620424 wrote:I disagree. Private schools have to do that to actually get people to enroll, or else it's basically a no brainer decision.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
May 28, 2014 10:40pm
I chose private because I could begin classes the following Fall. If I had went to public, I'd have to wait a couple years due to the the program being so busy. I'd just now be graduating and the job market for my profession (in Dayton, anyways) sucks. Two years ago, it was so high in demand I had a full-time job lined up four months before I graduated.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 28, 2014 11:34pm
Lol. Private schools are absolutely worthless because you over pay to join an alumni network in the 100's and graduate with a degree from a school in which no one has heard of.HitsRus;1620435 wrote:^^^^not necessarliy ...private schools can boast smaller class sizes that are not taught by foreign graduate assistants.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
May 29, 2014 12:21am
Yeah, I don't understand it. The goal should be to attend a top-50 program in your targeted field of study, which is going to be mainly large state schools and the Ivy+ schools. And for an undergrad degree I don't really think the Ivy+ are really worth the money relative to top state schools.sleeper;1620527 wrote:Lol. Private schools are absolutely worthless because you over pay to join an alumni network in the 100's and graduate with a degree from a school in which no one has heard of.
The other funny thing about Ivy undergrads - it's mainly the only route to banking and management consulting jobs out of undergrad. But then those kids go to MBA programs, and if they choose to return to IB or MC they're at the same level and pay as any of their cohorts from a variety of pre-MBA backgrounds.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
May 29, 2014 5:39am
"I agree with both of these.:
That's because this is no black and white issue. It is a ton of shades of grey (no pun intended). Out of the 7 classes of HS I attended one person matriculated into Ohio State, and transferred after a semester. Because in the 80's and early to mid 90's Ohio State was toxic. Open admissions, racial problems, crappy dorms, 400+ classes, etc.. There was a brain drain out of Ohio, and for those that didn't leave they people went to Miami or OU-Athens. Scholarships were non-existent. Ohio State would have been the most expensive school I could have attended...because there were no scholarships.
Now that there are actual standards to be admitted to the Columbus campus Ohio State has improved tremendously. If I was a high school student now I would consider it seriously and many of my alma mater's class will be attending there, in my day though Ohio State wasn't even an option. It was a cesspool so deep our guidance counselor told us not to go to OSU.
That's because this is no black and white issue. It is a ton of shades of grey (no pun intended). Out of the 7 classes of HS I attended one person matriculated into Ohio State, and transferred after a semester. Because in the 80's and early to mid 90's Ohio State was toxic. Open admissions, racial problems, crappy dorms, 400+ classes, etc.. There was a brain drain out of Ohio, and for those that didn't leave they people went to Miami or OU-Athens. Scholarships were non-existent. Ohio State would have been the most expensive school I could have attended...because there were no scholarships.
Now that there are actual standards to be admitted to the Columbus campus Ohio State has improved tremendously. If I was a high school student now I would consider it seriously and many of my alma mater's class will be attending there, in my day though Ohio State wasn't even an option. It was a cesspool so deep our guidance counselor told us not to go to OSU.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
May 29, 2014 7:00am
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
May 29, 2014 7:04am
Some schools guarantee that the family contribution from the FAFSA will be your "out the door price", while others do not.dlazz;1620451 wrote:I really really REALLY doubt they slash the price to the point where they're as cheap as their public counterparts.
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MontyBrunswick
May 29, 2014 7:52am
I'd say I come from an "average income family" and I received absolutely nothing from FAFSA.queencitybuckeye;1620563 wrote:Some schools guarantee that the family contribution from the FAFSA will be your "out the door price", while others do not.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
May 29, 2014 9:15am
That's fine I'll accept being dumb and making over a grand a week in my early 20s lol. Poor melike_that;1620278 wrote:That's the type of dumb people they go after.
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MontyBrunswick
May 29, 2014 9:27am
You do know sales jobs are high failure/high turnover, right? Not to mention usually (nearly) 100% commission?Classyposter58;1620587 wrote:That's fine I'll accept being dumb and making over a grand a week in my early 20s lol. Poor me