Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
May 9, 2014 11:25am
wildcats20;1614505 wrote:All of this.
I'm not a fan, but to say he isn't a leader because he got drunk and was too hungover is a complete joke. The kid did everything and then some that was asked of him as the QB at Texas A&M.
Also what's with the moving target?like_that;1614507 wrote:So you didn't read my posts yet you categorized me as an excited fan? Speaking from your ass per usual. This is why (amongst many reasons) nobody likes.
I will give him a pass on skipping camp as he was a kid who just became a celebrity. I'll go with the consensus experts who say he has leadership traits.
Ray Lewis is a murderer and he was considered a leader.
The argument is he was a short QB who could succeed because of success of other short QB's (quite a few were the exact words). The other short QB's with success as far as I know are Brees and Wilson.
All I'm saying is that Manziel doesn't seem to be teh same kind of leader nor player that Wilson or Brees are.
Not that he could kill someone get away with it and still be a "leader".
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 9, 2014 11:32am
Wilson is a slightly above average QB that doesn't make mistakes, because he doesn't need to lift that team on his shoulders.Fly4Fun;1614526 wrote:Also what's with the moving target?
The argument is he was a short QB who could succeed because of success of other short QB's (quite a few were the exact words). The other short QB's with success as far as I know are Brees and Wilson.
All I'm saying is that Manziel doesn't seem to be teh same kind of leader nor player that Wilson or Brees are.
Not that he could kill someone get away with it and still be a "leader".
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
May 9, 2014 11:36am
I'd agree with that.like_that;1614528 wrote:Wilson is a slightly above average QB that doesn't make mistakes, because he doesn't need to lift that team on his shoulders.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 9, 2014 11:41am
So, I'm not really looking for the next Wilson.Fly4Fun;1614531 wrote:I'd agree with that.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 9, 2014 12:06pm
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like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 9, 2014 12:12pm
I'm surprised it took this long to get out.BR1986FB;1614536 wrote:CollegeFootball 24/7
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 9, 2014 12:14pm
I'm glad he wasn't taken by Cleveland. Only QB of the big 3 that I really wanted nothing to do with.like_that;1614537 wrote:I'm surprised it took this long to get out.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 9, 2014 12:16pm
Wilson is an unique person in terms of experience and maturity and really is hard to find that every day in a college kid.
Graduated in three years and then went to Wisky, and played minor league baseball.
You dont make dick playing minor league baseball and you are on the road all the time. He could either grow up fast or fall along the wayside.
Many didnt expect him to step in and win that starting position in Seattle and he isnt asked to win games by himself.
JM will do just fine in Cleveland. Imagine Hoyer isnt going to be real happy. It will make him bust his nuts to win the starting job but you know what will happen any time he plays poorly....
Graduated in three years and then went to Wisky, and played minor league baseball.
You dont make dick playing minor league baseball and you are on the road all the time. He could either grow up fast or fall along the wayside.
Many didnt expect him to step in and win that starting position in Seattle and he isnt asked to win games by himself.
JM will do just fine in Cleveland. Imagine Hoyer isnt going to be real happy. It will make him bust his nuts to win the starting job but you know what will happen any time he plays poorly....
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 9, 2014 12:19pm
Minny would not have drafted him in the first round if they and their experts werent sure it wouldnt affect him.BR1986FB;1614536 wrote:CollegeFootball 24/7
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Hines Ward was dropped to late firt/early 2nd to the third round to the steelers because he was missing an ACL.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 9, 2014 12:26pm
thavoice;1614539 wrote: It will make him bust his nuts to win the starting job but you know what will happen any time he plays poorly....
That's why I'm happy we have both. I think Hoyer could be good for us, and having Manziel breathing down his neck will only force him to make sure his shit's together.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 9, 2014 12:27pm
Yeah, it would be nice to see a legit competition versus one of the QB's having the job handed to them.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 9, 2014 1:06pm
BR1986FB;1614543 wrote:Yeah, it would be nice to see a legit competition versus one of the QB's having the job handed to them.
Yeah. If Manziel is named the starter, to me at least, it means he earned it and I'd be OK with it. I don't want him being named started if it's because Hoyer isn't 100% in the fall.
Regardless, I think Hoyer will be under center the whole series until he gets hurt/utterly shits the bed (Gabbert-level crappiness).
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
May 9, 2014 1:10pm
Saw this yesterday and lol'd. The Raiders blow.Azubuike24;1614506 wrote:
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 9, 2014 1:11pm
Agreed. Frye, Weeden & McCoy were handed their jobs even though previous regimes said there was a legit "competition." There wasn't really a whole lot for them to compete against. With Manziel in the fold, I'm sure that Hoyer is going to get all he can handle because I get the impression that JFF isn't fond of losing and loves to compete.lhslep134;1614555 wrote:Yeah. If Manziel is named the starter, to me at least, it means he earned it and I'd be OK with it. I don't want him being named started if it's because Hoyer isn't 100% in the fall.
Regardless, I think Hoyer will be under center the whole series until he gets hurt/utterly shits the bed (Gabbert-level crappiness).
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 9, 2014 3:01pm
At least the Raiders have won a few playoff games since 1999 and have even been to a Super Bowl. What have the Browns done?friendfromlowry;1614558 wrote:Saw this yesterday and lol'd. The Raiders blow.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 9, 2014 3:02pm
JFF will be the starting QB on day 1. No doubt.BR1986FB;1614559 wrote:Agreed. Frye, Weeden & McCoy were handed their jobs even though previous regimes said there was a legit "competition." There wasn't really a whole lot for them to compete against. With Manziel in the fold, I'm sure that Hoyer is going to get all he can handle because I get the impression that JFF isn't fond of losing and loves to compete.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 9, 2014 3:10pm
but they have been pretty bad for the last 10 seasons with the best being at .500.sleeper;1614597 wrote:At least the Raiders have won a few playoff games since 1999 and have even been to a Super Bowl. What have the Browns done?
The browns havent faired much worse, but are in a much better position than the raiders going fwd!
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 9, 2014 3:12pm
Maybe. Just saying as Browns fans don't have much room to talk shit about other teams. I think we are in a better spot than the Raiders of course.thavoice;1614602 wrote:but they have been pretty bad for the last 10 seasons with the best being at .500.
The browns havent faired much worse, but are in a much better position than the raiders going fwd!
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 9, 2014 3:15pm
My favorite part about the draft is getting Buffalo's pick. $10 says that's a top ten pick at worst next year. Does anyone really think EJ Manual is going to do jack shit next year? Bills will be 5-11 at best.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 9, 2014 3:17pm
No doubt. Much, much better than getting Indy's pick.sleeper;1614604 wrote:My favorite part about the draft is getting Buffalo's pick. $10 says that's a top ten pick at worst next year. Does anyone really think EJ Manual is going to do jack shit next year? Bills will be 5-11 at best.
Browns raped the bills on that trade.
Browns will get a top 10 pick next year, and they will probably have the 16-20th pick of their own in the first round with their 8-8/9-7 or even 10-6 record (but believe they will be .500)
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 9, 2014 3:19pm
Browns 8-8 at best.thavoice;1614606 wrote:No doubt. Much, much better than getting Indy's pick.
Browns raped the bills on that trade.
Browns will get a top 10 pick next year, and they will probably have the 16-20th pick of their own in the first round with their 8-8/9-7 or even 10-6 record (but believe they will be .500)
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 9, 2014 3:23pm
I think they can get 9 wins if they hit some teams at the right time.sleeper;1614609 wrote:Browns 8-8 at best.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 9, 2014 3:32pm
We could go 19-0 if all the knob slobbering of Manziel actually mattered on the field.thavoice;1614610 wrote:I think they can get 9 wins if they hit some teams at the right time.
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MontyBrunswick
May 9, 2014 3:51pm
The Bills, Browns, and Oakland all seem to do absolutely nothing with their draft picks. Can almost lump Jacksonville in there toosleeper;1614604 wrote:My favorite part about the draft is getting Buffalo's pick. $10 says that's a top ten pick at worst next year. Does anyone really think EJ Manual is going to do jack shit next year? Bills will be 5-11 at best.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 9, 2014 3:56pm
Browns miss on QBs. Outside of that they have done pretty good. Obviously some misses along the way (Richardson) but every team will have that.dlazz;1614617 wrote:The Bills, Browns, and Oakland all seem to do absolutely nothing with their draft picks. Can almost lump Jacksonville in there too
Josh Gordon
Joe Haden
Alex Mack
Joe Thomas
Jordan Cameron
Phil Taylor
Jabaal sheard
Buster skrine
Tj ward
Ahtia Rubin
John Hughes
All draft picks by the browns that are contributing in good ways for them now.