RedRider1
Posts: 3,850
Aug 29, 2014 11:18pm
It's a win.
That is all.
Lots to work on.
That is all.
Lots to work on.
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187xovr
Posts: 91
Sep 19, 2014 11:04am
I watched several games last night at the OABGC flag football league. There are several promising young athletes in each division. I found it pretty odd that they won't even keep score in any of the games. I can possibly understand this for really young kids, but I think kids in 5th and 6th grade should be learning how to compete and win. When did this change occur? That is certainly not the way I grew up playing at the OABGC. Let the kids know the difference between winning and losing.
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Sep 19, 2014 12:24pm
Are you serious? They don't keep score anymore? WTF??187xovr;1655558 wrote:I watched several games last night at the OABGC flag football league. There are several promising young athletes in each division. I found it pretty odd that they won't even keep score in any of the games. I can possibly understand this for really young kids, but I think kids in 5th and 6th grade should be learning how to compete and win. When did this change occur? That is certainly not the way I grew up playing at the OABGC. Let the kids know the difference between winning and losing.
How do you learn to win and lose if you don't keep score? That is exactly the garbage that kills me. Not everybody is a winner we are setting these kids up to fail not only in sports but more importantly in life. Guess what there is a score board in life. Also, important to learn how to lose and find ways to not let that happen often. Get the taste out of your mouth type of thing...
Old Rider
Posts: 2,470
Sep 19, 2014 2:30pm
I have a boy in 2nd-3rd grade flag and a boy in the 4th-6th. Both were well aware of what the final score was. My 4th grader told me after the game that he had lost, but that the league doesn't keep track.
I am all for keeping score, but flag needs to be about teaching the VERY BASICS of the game. Some coaches do better than others, but at least they are out there volunteering their time. It is good to see that the high school football players are back coaching as well. Some are better than others when it comes to teaching the game, but there presence is felt by the little Riders!!
I am all for keeping score, but flag needs to be about teaching the VERY BASICS of the game. Some coaches do better than others, but at least they are out there volunteering their time. It is good to see that the high school football players are back coaching as well. Some are better than others when it comes to teaching the game, but there presence is felt by the little Riders!!
Flash
Posts: 1,035
Sep 19, 2014 9:55pm
Halleluyah, We've met my expectations. Its all gravy from here on. Riders beat Lex 30-14. We win one more and its great. We win two more and its a miracle that may be sanctioned from a principality far away and our coach accepted into sainthood, because it would be a true miracle. And Wooster goes down to Ashland.
1_beast
Posts: 5,642
Sep 20, 2014 4:06am
Now would you guys quit crying?
Flash
Posts: 1,035
Sep 20, 2014 8:17am
And I'm happy the Bears won.
1_beast
Posts: 5,642
Sep 20, 2014 5:06pm
Just ribbing ya Flash!
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jaco
Posts: 226
Sep 22, 2014 8:12am
Man, the OCC is just hot garbage this year. Ashland is the best of the bunch, and this version of them would probably place 3rd or 4th in the conference five years ago. Wooster without Blair on the field looked like a McCreary team. They do some things right, but more things wrong. Gonna be a long year for real football fans, because what I've seen so far isn't a very good product. Even Ashland doesn't have enough boys to play freshman games. That's sad and telling about the future.
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unc4life
Posts: 55
Sep 22, 2014 8:22am
Jaco..Ashland has like 40 kids on their freshman team. Overall numbers for Ashland are up. Also what Ashland is doing with a Sophomore QB is unreal. When it is all said and done he will hold every record for a QB at Ashland, and thats pretty special.
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Sep 22, 2014 10:16am
I agree that Flag Football is for teaching the basics....one of those basics is WINNING is more fun than LOSING!Old Rider;1655624 wrote:I have a boy in 2nd-3rd grade flag and a boy in the 4th-6th. Both were well aware of what the final score was. My 4th grader told me after the game that he had lost, but that the league doesn't keep track.
I am all for keeping score, but flag needs to be about teaching the VERY BASICS of the game. Some coaches do better than others, but at least they are out there volunteering their time. It is good to see that the high school football players are back coaching as well. Some are better than others when it comes to teaching the game, but there presence is felt by the little Riders!!
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Red Rider Nation
Posts: 1,085
Sep 22, 2014 8:39pm
Wow not only is your football team 2-2 but your hometown has a genius in RRfan! Winning is more fun than losing!!! Are you the next guest on "Are you smarter than a 5th grader"?rrfan;1656441 wrote:I agree that Flag Football is for teaching the basics....one of those basics is WINNING is more fun than LOSING!
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Sep 23, 2014 7:37am
I like that show...Red Rider Nation;1656629 wrote:Wow not only is your football team 2-2 but your hometown has a genius in RRfan! Winning is more fun than losing!!! Are you the next guest on "Are you smarter than a 5th grader"?
Also how do you learn those kind of lessons when you don't keep score. I would think even you would want to attack on that one but nope just want to bash me...guess what that is fine I can take it. Now go away.
sanitizer
Posts: 288
Sep 23, 2014 9:15am
I agree, my boys are 4.5 and 6 and play on a flag football team. Not in Orrville but they don't keep score until 3rd grade. Kind of how the boys club use to do it. I LOVE that that high school players are helping and coaching. In 5th and 6th grade when we were young the football players where the only coaches! My boys are young but all I look for right now is that they have fun and "want to play". With that being said they ALWAYS know what the score is. LOLI am all for keeping score, but flag needs to be about teaching the VERY BASICS of the game. Some coaches do better than others, but at least they are out there volunteering their time. It is good to see that the high school football players are back coaching as well. Some are better than others when it comes to teaching the game, but there presence is felt by the little Riders!!
RedRider1
Posts: 3,850
Sep 24, 2014 9:28am
High school kids are there, but it's not a lot of "helping" as we probably knew it when we were that age. They're not in the huddle....at least in the few games my son has played. The kids that were there for the first practice haven't been seen since.
I'd still rather have them there than not, but their role needs defined better. That's up to the folks in charge of the league to give them a purpose...other than that the kids should be doing homework because their time is being wasted.
Interesting numbers from yesterday's Daily Record on the # of kids in each class:
131 freshmen, 113 sophomores, 121 juniors and 116 seniors.
112 fifth-graders, 119 sixth-graders, 122 seventh-graders and 118 eighth-graders
137 kindergartners, 133 first-graders, 135 second-graders, 119 third-graders and 109 fourth-graders.
There were 150 in my class almost 20 yrs ago...I think one of our biggest classes was near 200 back in the 70's. Doesn't take a math wiz to see the trend when the biggest class in grades K-12 is 137.
We're a different town than when RTR was going strong in the 80's & 90's. Facts are facts and only someone that doesn't live here or has their head in the sand can't see the reality of it.
I'm glad to see the numbers up at the lower grades, but it's still small compared to what it used to be.
I'd still rather have them there than not, but their role needs defined better. That's up to the folks in charge of the league to give them a purpose...other than that the kids should be doing homework because their time is being wasted.
Interesting numbers from yesterday's Daily Record on the # of kids in each class:
131 freshmen, 113 sophomores, 121 juniors and 116 seniors.
112 fifth-graders, 119 sixth-graders, 122 seventh-graders and 118 eighth-graders
137 kindergartners, 133 first-graders, 135 second-graders, 119 third-graders and 109 fourth-graders.
There were 150 in my class almost 20 yrs ago...I think one of our biggest classes was near 200 back in the 70's. Doesn't take a math wiz to see the trend when the biggest class in grades K-12 is 137.
We're a different town than when RTR was going strong in the 80's & 90's. Facts are facts and only someone that doesn't live here or has their head in the sand can't see the reality of it.
I'm glad to see the numbers up at the lower grades, but it's still small compared to what it used to be.
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Sep 24, 2014 10:35am
Back in the day when the players coached these kids (and I did this when I played) the HS players drafted there teams. We were at every practice because we ran the practice and at every game because we were the coach. If you think for one minute we did not let our teammates know that we beat there team the previous Saturday you are crazy. It was cool and we had the ability to call plays we did not get to run on Friday night. I still remember the names of many of the kids I coached at the club.RedRider1;1657036 wrote:High school kids are there, but it's not a lot of "helping" as we probably knew it when we were that age. They're not in the huddle....at least in the few games my son has played. The kids that were there for the first practice haven't been seen since.
I'd still rather have them there than not, but their role needs defined better. That's up to the folks in charge of the league to give them a purpose...other than that the kids should be doing homework because their time is being wasted.
Interesting numbers from yesterday's Daily Record on the # of kids in each class:
131 freshmen, 113 sophomores, 121 juniors and 116 seniors.
112 fifth-graders, 119 sixth-graders, 122 seventh-graders and 118 eighth-graders
137 kindergartners, 133 first-graders, 135 second-graders, 119 third-graders and 109 fourth-graders.
There were 150 in my class almost 20 yrs ago...I think one of our biggest classes was near 200 back in the 70's. Doesn't take a math wiz to see the trend when the biggest class in grades K-12 is 137.
We're a different town than when RTR was going strong in the 80's & 90's. Facts are facts and only someone that doesn't live here or has their head in the sand can't see the reality of it.
I'm glad to see the numbers up at the lower grades, but it's still small compared to what it used to be.
Old Rider
Posts: 2,470
Sep 24, 2014 3:22pm
I coached as well...and if we didn't show up for the flag practices or games we were actually HELD ACCOUNTABLE. Could use a little more accountability with kids these days.rrfan;1657061 wrote:Back in the day when the players coached these kids (and I did this when I played) the HS players drafted there teams. We were at every practice because we ran the practice and at every game because we were the coach. If you think for one minute we did not let our teammates know that we beat there team the previous Saturday you are crazy. It was cool and we had the ability to call plays we did not get to run on Friday night. I still remember the names of many of the kids I coached at the club.
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Red Rider Nation
Posts: 1,085
Sep 24, 2014 7:20pm
Living in the past still? Your class had 150 mine had 116 which was one year ahead of you. Who gives a crap?? There are more similarities in that town than differences. The one difference is the community support for football. It's embarrassing but then again people get tired of seeing the same old stuff out on the field (lack of discipline, accountability, coaching). Your community supports a good program and the numbers are way down in attendance even at home games. Dig up the numbers I am sure YOU can find themRedRider1;1657036 wrote:High school kids are there, but it's not a lot of "helping" as we probably knew it when we were that age. They're not in the huddle....at least in the few games my son has played. The kids that were there for the first practice haven't been seen since.
I'd still rather have them there than not, but their role needs defined better. That's up to the folks in charge of the league to give them a purpose...other than that the kids should be doing homework because their time is being wasted.
Interesting numbers from yesterday's Daily Record on the # of kids in each class:
131 freshmen, 113 sophomores, 121 juniors and 116 seniors.
112 fifth-graders, 119 sixth-graders, 122 seventh-graders and 118 eighth-graders
137 kindergartners, 133 first-graders, 135 second-graders, 119 third-graders and 109 fourth-graders.
There were 150 in my class almost 20 yrs ago...I think one of our biggest classes was near 200 back in the 70's. Doesn't take a math wiz to see the trend when the biggest class in grades K-12 is 137.
We're a different town than when RTR was going strong in the 80's & 90's. Facts are facts and only someone that doesn't live here or has their head in the sand can't see the reality of it.
I'm glad to see the numbers up at the lower grades, but it's still small compared to what it used to be.
RedRider1
Posts: 3,850
Sep 24, 2014 8:40pm
I think discipline has been good this year. Kids aren't making stupid mistakes. You & I watched the same game on Friday...did we have 5 penalties? I don't recall any personal fouls unless you count that roughing the punter & that was a football play @ the back of the endzone.
Nobody will argue about attendance...it's been bad the past few seasons. But like ANY fanbase, when success returns, the fans come back. Compare the Cavs attendance this year & last for the perfect example.
Nobody will argue about attendance...it's been bad the past few seasons. But like ANY fanbase, when success returns, the fans come back. Compare the Cavs attendance this year & last for the perfect example.
RedRider1
Posts: 3,850
Sep 25, 2014 11:05am
27 penalties through 4 games.
Average of 7 per game for 55 yds.
Last week vs. Lex....3 penalties for 11 yards. Compare to Dalton's 16 penalties for 137 yds, Norwayne's 14 for 118 & Waynedale's 12 for 133 and I'd say we did pretty well last week.
Average of 7 per game for 55 yds.
Last week vs. Lex....3 penalties for 11 yards. Compare to Dalton's 16 penalties for 137 yds, Norwayne's 14 for 118 & Waynedale's 12 for 133 and I'd say we did pretty well last week.
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Sep 25, 2014 12:41pm
There you go again showing Red Rider Nation the facts...too bad he is not smart enough to read them.RedRider1;1657410 wrote:27 penalties through 4 games.
Average of 7 per game for 55 yds.
Last week vs. Lex....3 penalties for 11 yards. Compare to Dalton's 16 penalties for 137 yds, Norwayne's 14 for 118 & Waynedale's 12 for 133 and I'd say we did pretty well last week.
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1486wd
Posts: 835
Sep 25, 2014 1:03pm
I was at the Dalton game and have never seen such poor officiating on the db's. Basically if you were running in close proximity to the receiver, pass interference was called. Never seen anything like it
RedRider1
Posts: 3,850
Sep 25, 2014 1:58pm
When I saw those #'s....especially for the Nor/Way game, I figured it must have been a crew that called things tight.1486wd;1657476 wrote:I was at the Dalton game and have never seen such poor officiating on the db's. Basically if you were running in close proximity to the receiver, pass interference was called. Never seen anything like it
RedRider1
Posts: 3,850
Sep 25, 2014 2:00pm
I doubt that changes his mind...just like to share facts...whatever they are.rrfan;1657466 wrote:There you go again showing Red Rider Nation the facts...too bad he is not smart enough to read them.
I'm sure 1 penalty is too much by his standards. Coach should grab kids by the facemask more often and scream & holler at kids to hold kids more "accountable."
CCRolly
Posts: 786
Sep 25, 2014 2:38pm
That guy is the only reason I log in to check this page every day. Guaranteed stupidity that brightens my day.