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Aug 7, 2014 12:08 PM
SportsAndLady;1642122 wrote:On a cavs thread. In support of the cavs. LOL give it up man
Where did I post anything in support of the Cavs? I gave my opinion on Love and Wiggins and said the Cavs should own the backboards against every team they play. Please continue to spin though LOL.
Aug 7, 2014 12:08pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:10 PM
Crimson streak;1642133 wrote:The city would be a mess guaranteed. If the browns win a Super Bowl the whole city will burn down lol
I don't want to see the Browns win shit....but would pull for the Indians in most situations if they made the WS.
Aug 7, 2014 12:10pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:20 PM
How many wins? I'll go 62....but may take a while to mesh and also kind of see this as a maximum.
Aug 7, 2014 12:20pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:26 PM
robj55;1642096 wrote:People are overly fascinated with his athleticism, as a basketball player he has quite a few holes.
So did Lebron coming into the league
Aug 7, 2014 12:26pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:31 PM
KB0938;1642141 wrote:So did Lebron coming into the league
Yes, a consistent jump shot which he could still make. He could create offense in a multitude of different ways.
Aug 7, 2014 12:31pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:33 PM
robj55;1642142 wrote:Yes, a consistent jump shot which he could still make. He could create offense in a multitude of different ways.
Your basketball iq is so amazing. Keep it up, we are all smarter because of you.
Aug 7, 2014 12:33pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:36 PM
robj55;1642142 wrote:Yes, a consistent jump shot which he could still make. He could create offense in a multitude of different ways.
Lebron was anything but even an average jump shooter his first few years in the league, especially from the outside. Wiggins only hole really is a jumper, and hes obviously not as good of a passer as Lebron, but hes never going to be asked to be.
Aug 7, 2014 12:36pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:36 PM
KB0938;1642141 wrote:So did Lebron coming into the league

He also looked like a grown ass man during HS. Wiggins has all the potential in the world, but I don't think the LeBron comparisons are really valid, different type of player.
Aug 7, 2014 12:36pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:40 PM
SportsAndLady;1642144 wrote:Your basketball iq is so amazing. Keep it up, we are all smarter because of you.
Still butthurt I see and making stuff up, some things never change do they? Crybaby.
Aug 7, 2014 12:40pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:41 PM
KB0938;1642146 wrote:Lebron was anything but even an average jump shooter his first few years in the league, especially from the outside. Wiggins only hole really is a jumper, and hes obviously not as good of a passer as Lebron, but hes never going to be asked to be.
He has a lot more holes than a jump shot.
Aug 7, 2014 12:41pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:41 PM
Automatik;1642147 wrote:He also looked like a grown ass man during HS. Wiggins has all the potential in the world, but I don't think the LeBron comparisons are really valid, different type of player.
You mean looked as in how he played, or looked as in physically? Physically I can agree Lebron was more filled out in HS. But as they played, Wiggins was dominant and toyin with kids just as much as Lebron or any #1 Draft pick did lol
Aug 7, 2014 12:41pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:44 PM
Commander of Awesome;1642128 wrote:Just to be clear, I think Wiggins has HoF potential. I think he's that talented. Whether or not he gets there is up to him, etc... I am NOT saying he'll definitely be a HoFer.
Oh I know. I know what you meant, and I know what S&L means. No spinning from me but I can see why you felt the need to clarify, seeing as some others love to spin.
Aug 7, 2014 12:44pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:46 PM
KB0938;1642150 wrote:You mean looked as in how he played, or looked as in physically? Physically I can agree Lebron was more filled out in HS. But as they played, Wiggins was dominant and toyin with kids just as much as Lebron or any #1 Draft pick did lol
Can't agree with that at all. There have been many college players who were much more dominant than Wiggins was, physically and otherwise. Lebron is a once in a generation player, Wiggins is not although I think he will be great.
Aug 7, 2014 12:46pm
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robj55;1642149 wrote:He has a lot more holes than a jump shot.
Thats all that seems to get mentioned about his game and a glaring hole is that he needs to work on his jumper. What else is so wrong with his game?

I just think its dumb as hell for Cleveland to drop a player of this potential for an injury ridden star on a team who has absolutely no leverage. Oh well, glad i dont like Cleveland in the first place.
Aug 7, 2014 12:46pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:47 PM
KB0938;1642150 wrote:You mean looked as in how he played, or looked as in physically? Physically I can agree Lebron was more filled out in HS. But as they played, Wiggins was dominant and toyin with kids just as much as Lebron or any #1 Draft pick did lol

I actually don't know much about Wiggins in HS other than the random Youtube highlights.
Aug 7, 2014 12:47pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:49 PM
SportsAndLady;1642068 wrote:Delusional. You didn't watch wiggins at KU-fact.

He didn't dominate because he played in a system that didn't allow one person dominating a game. Not to mention, everything about wiggins game screams NBA. Kid is a stud and will be a top nba player.
LOL the ol' "it's the system" argument. Maybe they should change their system then so they'd stop getting bounced in the first round so often because they're obviously holding their star players back. The system argument works better in football where X's and O's make a larger difference. But basketball is the one sport where one player can make the difference between 15 wins and 30 wins, regardless of schemes and whatnot.

Step back and look: you just called someone delusional for saying Kevin Durant was better in college than Wiggins. Really?

Love can make a difference in a series against the spurs; Wiggins will not.

Sorry but I did watch some KU games this year, and the only "fact" is that the Cavs think Love is a better option than Wiggins. And I trust them more than you.
Aug 7, 2014 12:49pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:50 PM
robj55;1642152 wrote:Can't agree with that at all. There have been many college players who were much more dominant than Wiggins was, physically and otherwise. Lebron is a once in a generation player, Wiggins is not although I think he will be great.
Lebron played HS kids, Wiggins played Division 1 college basketball. I would hope its a little harder to play them and not be able to dominate as much as Lebron playing division 2 schools in Ohio
Aug 7, 2014 12:50pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:51 PM
KB0938;1642153 wrote:Thats all that seems to get mentioned about his game and a glaring hole is that he needs to work on his jumper. What else is so wrong with his game?

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Ball handling, creating his own looks on moves other than his wicked step back, nothing too pressing and nothing that can't be overcome.
Aug 7, 2014 12:51pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:51 PM
KB0938;1642153 wrote:Thats all that seems to get mentioned about his game and a glaring hole is that he needs to work on his jumper. What else is so wrong with his game ?
His handle is suspect, he got ripped at least 5 times clean in summer league. He doesn't create offense consistently, whether for himself or for others as a play maker. His defense was very underwhelming, he got beat a ton off the dribble and I'm not sure he has the ability or versatility to defend multiple positions especially until he gets stronger. I also question his mentality, he disappeared in a few games and seemed to shy away from the ball, can that be THE guy? He scored 4 points in the tournament game against Stanford in 34 minutes and only took 6 shots. You can't shy away from the moment like that. All of these things can be improved upon but there are certainly holes and question marks.
Aug 7, 2014 12:51pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:52 PM
KB0938;1642156 wrote:Lebron played HS kids, Wiggins played Division 1 college basketball. I would hope its a little harder to play them and not be able to dominate as much as Lebron playing division 2 schools in Ohio
They played against the best teams in the nation who had multiple high D1 prospects on every team.
Aug 7, 2014 12:52pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:53 PM
lhslep134;1642157 wrote:Ball handling, creating his own looks on moves other than his wicked step back, nothing too pressing and nothing that can't be overcome.
Yeah I know there are other holes, because no player is complete. But the really only glaring hole is his shot. I agree with those other things he needs to improve on, but like you said its nothing pressing.
Aug 7, 2014 12:53pm
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Aug 7, 2014 12:54 PM
robj55;1642159 wrote:They played against the best teams in the nation who had multiple high D1 prospects on every team.
Still not even a close comparison to actual college teams. Comparing dominance of LBJ in HS to Wiggins in college just doesnt make sense.
Aug 7, 2014 12:54pm