SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 30, 2014 11:32am
There's a difference between arguing about which conference, top to bottom, is best...and chanting "go big ten!" After another b1g schools win.Heretic;1598390 wrote:Wait, weren't you doing the same sort of thing, talking about how the Big XII was toughest and it wasn't close?
Well, until the Big XII got completely eliminated in three rounds, at which point, that sort of "conference-bragging" apparently became taboo. But still...
Come on.
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vball10set
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Mar 30, 2014 12:07pm
SportsAndLady;1598394 wrote:There's a difference between arguing about which conference, top to bottom, is best...and chanting "go big ten!" After another b1g schools win.
Come on.
lol, nice try
SportsAndLady
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Mar 30, 2014 12:12pm
Nice try at what? Did you see me yelling "go Baylor!!" in their sweet sixteen game? Lol you bitch about the idiots in the sec doing it, then turnaround and do it during basketball season. It's pathetic really.vball10set;1598407 wrote:lol, nice try
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Prescott
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Mar 30, 2014 12:59pm
Shouldn't each of Izzo's final four teams be analyzed separately? I think he took (2) #5 seeds to the Final Four and his merits as a coach are being denigrated because he got those teams to overachieve. In both instances he eventually lost to a #1 seed. In one tournament run as a #5 his team defeated a #1 seed and a #2 seed just to get to the Final Four.According to some of you he would be more highly regarded as a coach if the #5 seeds performed like #5 seeds and lost in the 2nd round.reclegend22;1598392 wrote:Nobody here is claiming that Izzo is not elite. He's just not an all-time legend in the same sense that guys like K or Roy Williams or Jim Calhoun or Rick Pitino are. Marv Levy took every team he coached to the Super Bowl from 1990 to 1993. Is he and those Buffalo Bills teams remembered more for getting to all of those Super Bowls or for coming up short so many times? What we "simpletons" are saying, you, great purveyor of knowledge and truth, is that while Izzo certainly deserves praise for getting to six Final Fours and winning a title in 2000, all those Final Fours also mean that he has come up short on his profession's biggest stage more than most. That should also be taken into account. So, yeah, I'd like to see another championship run -- other than the one 15 years ago -- before we start anointing him the next John Wooden. Tom Izzo is not some young, up-and-comer who has a whole career ahead of him. He turns 60 this year. How many more years does he have left? What if Florida had beaten Michigan State in the 2000 national title game? How would that change your overall perception of Izzo? The game amounted to just 40 minutes of his coaching career, but a loss in that game would give Izzo zero titles in six Final Four appearances. Would Izzo still get the same level of admiration he does today?
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 30, 2014 2:09pm
On the other hand, using this season as an example, one could argue that Tom Izzo's teams often underachieve during the regular-season and therefore are given lower tournament seeds as a result of losing so many games. Then when he takes that low seed that everybody considered a favorite at the beginning of the year to the Final Four Izzo is praised for overachieving.Prescott;1598431 wrote:Shouldn't each of Izzo's final four teams be analyzed separately? I think he took (2) #5 seeds to the Final Four and his merits as a coach are being denigrated because he got those teams to overachieve. In both instances he eventually lost to a #1 seed. In one tournament run as a #5 his team defeated a #1 seed and a #2 seed just to get to the Final Four.According to some of you he would be more highly regarded as a coach if the #5 seeds performed like #5 seeds and lost in the 2nd round.
I am not saying all of his teams are legit championship contenders -- I am sure there are years in which Izzo really did overachieve with the talent he had -- but we should keep things in perspective.
SportsAndLady
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Mar 30, 2014 2:12pm
Uconn looks great. Love watching Ollie on the sideline
wildcats20
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Mar 30, 2014 2:15pm
AAC!!!!SportsAndLady;1598452 wrote:Uconn looks great. Love watching Ollie on the sideline
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vball10set
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Mar 30, 2014 2:17pm
Good move to get Dawson out of there, he looked like a deer in headlights
wildcats20
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Mar 30, 2014 2:19pm
Sounds like a UConn home game in the Garden.
reclegend22
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Mar 30, 2014 2:21pm
Michigan State is getting a rude awakening.
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vball10set
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Mar 30, 2014 2:24pm
My "B1G" was directed solely at you, 'cause as I said I could care less about the conference. All we heard from you all season was how dominant the Big 12 was and how overrated the B1G was. Yes, it WAS pathetic.SportsAndLady;1598413 wrote:Nice try at what? Did you see me yelling "go Baylor!!" in their sweet sixteen game? Lol you bitch about the idiots in the sec doing it, then turnaround and do it during basketball season. It's pathetic really.
SportsAndLady
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Mar 30, 2014 2:25pm
Lol you're a fucking clown.vball10set;1598458 wrote:My "B1G" was directed solely at you, 'cause as I said I could care less about the conference. All we heard from you all season was how dominant the Big 12 was and how overrated the B1G was. Yes, it WAS pathetic.
SportsAndLady
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Mar 30, 2014 2:25pm
No dude. He didn't mean it. He was just taking a shot at me 👍👍wildcats20;1598454 wrote:AAC!!!!
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vball10set
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Mar 30, 2014 2:27pm
Lol you're a fucking hypocriteSportsAndLady;1598459 wrote:Lol you're a fucking clown.
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vball10set
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Mar 30, 2014 2:28pm
Dude??? hahahaSportsAndLady;1598460 wrote:No dude. He didn't mean it. He was just taking a shot at me 
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 30, 2014 2:30pm
How?vball10set;1598461 wrote:Lol you're a fucking hypocrite
Here I'll dumb it down for you. During the season I argued the big 12 was the best conference top to bottom. That is still correct, no matter what is happening in late march.
Just because the big ten has a team in the final four doesn't make it the best conference top to bottom.
You screaming "big ten!!" Is not only pathetic, nor does it prove I was wrong in any way shape or form, but it makes YOU the hypocrite since you hate on those who do it for the sec.
Like I said, clown.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Mar 30, 2014 2:30pm
Appling sucks so bad.
SportsAndLady
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Mar 30, 2014 2:31pm
Yes, dude. A word those under the age of 55 sometimes use.vball10set;1598462 wrote:Dude??? hahaha
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Mar 30, 2014 2:35pm
Wow, you really are an idiot...you haven't a clue, do you.SportsAndLady;1598463 wrote:How?
Here I'll dumb it down for you. During the season I argued the big 12 was the best conference top to bottom. That is still correct, no matter what is happening in late march.
Just because the big ten has a team in the final four doesn't make it the best conference top to bottom.
You screaming "big ten!!" Is not only pathetic, nor does it prove I was wrong in any way shape or form, but it makes YOU the hypocrite since you hate on those who do it for the sec.
Like I said, clown.
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vball10set
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Mar 30, 2014 2:36pm
Lol, I see....dude.SportsAndLady;1598465 wrote:Yes, dude. A word those under the age of 55 sometimes use.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 30, 2014 2:36pm
I thought it at the beginning of the year and believe it now. Shabazz Napier is the best guard in college basketball. God he's so good.
Pick6
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Mar 30, 2014 2:36pm
Appling does suck. MSU needs him to step up if they want to win it all. I prefer Trice over him right now.
SportsAndLady
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Mar 30, 2014 2:37pm
He's so fast with the ballreclegend22;1598468 wrote:I thought it at the beginning of the year and believe it now. Shabazz Napier is the best guard in college basketball. God he's so good.
SportsAndLady
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Mar 30, 2014 2:37pm
Just shut the fuck up vballvball10set;1598466 wrote:Wow, you really are an idiot...you haven't a clue, do you.
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vball10set
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Mar 30, 2014 2:38pm
Agreed, Appling is playing with zero confidence right nowPick6;1598469 wrote:Appling does suck. MSU needs him to step up if they want to win it all. I prefer Trice over him right now.
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