Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Mar 17, 2014 11:21am
Lol. The gays I am referring to are involved in consensual relationships. They are not out there raping and molesting people. Terrible comparison. My sister's relationship is exactly like mine. They are in love, they spend time together, they hope to build a life together.thavoice;1591968 wrote:and for pedophile priests is is NORMAL to diddle lil boys.
Just because that is "normal" for her doesnt make it right.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Mar 17, 2014 11:26am
dlazz;1591972 wrote:Normal is a poor term. Deviant is a better term, in that she strays from the accepted social norms. (again, not necessarily a bad thing)
P.S. Is she hot?
I agree with this. But thavoice specifically said "normal people." I take great issue with someone saying a loved one or a friend is not a normal person. Their sexual orientation may not be the norm, but they are people living life just like the rest of us. Who someone loves should be not matter in the least.
And I think my sister is beautiful, obviously. But she is not a lipstick lesbian.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Mar 17, 2014 12:18pm
This. Pedophiia is a sexual deviancy/sociopathic disease. Homosexuality has not been considered this since the early 1980's. Get into the 21st century people.The gays I am referring to are involved in consensual relationships. They are not out there raping and molesting people. Terrible comparison.
That said, i think the parade organizers have every right to ban contoversial/political agendas being put forth and using the parade as a forum to advance those agendas.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Mar 17, 2014 12:25pm
I agree with this. I think, in the grand scheme of things, most people are either apathetic or supportive to varying levels towards gay people and equal rights (in other words, ranging from "meh, doesn't effect me, whatevs" to "100% in support!"). However, when said cause attempts to go out of its way to pound people over the head with what they're trying to accomplish, to me, it almost seems like they're entering PETA-ville and its philosophy of "no attention is bad attention".queencitybuckeye;1591899 wrote:It doesn't help a cause to attempt to make every single event about that cause.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Mar 17, 2014 12:27pm
What do you consider pedophilia, though? I mean, a woman's "body" is ready to reproduce (science) once she menstruates. So, is pedophilia sexual relations before menstruation? Society would label someone a pedophile if they were having relations with someone who is well past menstruation, however not of the "legal" age.HitsRus;1592022 wrote:This. Pedophiia is a sexual deviancy/sociopathic disease. Homosexuality has not been considered this since the early 1980's. Get into the 21st century people.
That said, i think the parade organizers have every right to ban contoversial/political agendas being put forth and using the parade as a forum to advance those agendas.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Mar 17, 2014 12:36pm
Don't listen to thavoice. Sleeper, who is usually obnoxious about his views, has made more sense in this thread than he has.Fab4Runner;1591986 wrote:I agree with this. But thavoice specifically said "normal people." I take great issue with someone saying a loved one or a friend is not a normal person. Their sexual orientation may not be the norm, but they are people living life just like the rest of us. Who someone loves should be not matter in the least.
And I think my sister is beautiful, obviously. But she is not a lipstick lesbian.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Mar 17, 2014 12:38pm
"That said, i think the parade organizers have every right to ban contoversial/political agendas being put forth"
As every private organization should, their money, their rules, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone and it doesn't seems like this does. It is about tolerance, not acceptance and forced inclusion.
As every private organization should, their money, their rules, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone and it doesn't seems like this does. It is about tolerance, not acceptance and forced inclusion.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 17, 2014 12:40pm
Just go to the parade and have a fuckin' beer. Got damn.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Mar 17, 2014 12:42pm
No way! I ain't got damns, and I sure as shit ain't got no fucks!reclegend22;1592043 wrote:Just go to the parade and have a fuckin' beer. Got damn.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Mar 17, 2014 12:43pm
Fucking this. And I fit into your category of not giving a shit but still support whatever it is they want. But when every popular social gathering is turned into an opportunity for them to promote their views -- and "protest" instead when they can't -- it gets real annoying real quick. There's no two-way street about it, either. If the parade organizers would have relented and allowed them to carry signs, they'd be heralded as advocates for the GLBT cause. But when they say no, it's unfair, discriminating, and must be protested. The GLBT's involved here are either going to win by promoting their cause, or win by being the victim.Heretic;1592030 wrote:I agree with this. I think, in the grand scheme of things, most people are either apathetic or supportive to varying levels towards gay people and equal rights (in other words, ranging from "meh, doesn't effect me, whatevs" to "100% in support!"). However, when said cause attempts to go out of its way to pound people over the head with what they're trying to accomplish, to me, it almost seems like they're entering PETA-ville and its philosophy of "no attention is bad attention".
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 17, 2014 12:44pm
Not that I am necessarily agreeing with it but isn't that all that he said? Aren't you actually agreeing with him?Fab4Runner;1591986 wrote:...Their sexual orientation may not be the norm, ...
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 17, 2014 12:48pm
It seems fairly obvious that he's using the word in a different context.Con_Alma;1592047 wrote:Not that I am necessarily agreeing with it but is that all that he said? Aren't you actually agreeing with him?
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Mar 17, 2014 12:49pm
No. He said "normal people." Being a redhead is not the norm, but I have a feeling he wouldn't categorize them the same way he would gays.Con_Alma;1592047 wrote:Not that I am necessarily agreeing with it but is that all that he said? Aren't you actually agreeing with him?
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Mar 17, 2014 12:59pm
Gingers don't have souls.Fab4Runner;1592049 wrote:No. He said "normal people." Being a redhead is not the norm, but I have a feeling he wouldn't categorize them the same way he would gays.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 17, 2014 1:22pm
Except she has sex with girls. That isn't normal. I mean come on; this shouldn't even be an arguement but we have the PC "all people are special" garbage policing biological thought.Fab4Runner;1591964 wrote:It's normal for her. It would be completely abnormal for her to date a man. My point is that she is a normal human being who does all of the same things that other normal humans do. Most people have romantic relationships, and she is one of those people.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 17, 2014 1:41pm
Didn't you do the same also, by saying their sexual orientation may not be the norm???Fab4Runner;1592049 wrote:No. He said "normal people." Being a redhead is not the norm, but I have a feeling he wouldn't categorize them the same way he would gays.
I guess I don't understand.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 17, 2014 1:42pm
I'll have to read it again. They were both referring to sexual orientation. It wasn't that obvious to me. Sorry.queencitybuckeye;1592048 wrote:It seems fairly obvious that he's using the word in a different context.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 17, 2014 1:43pm
Gays be trippin
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MontyBrunswick
Mar 17, 2014 1:48pm
Shocking.Con_Alma;1592066 wrote: I guess I don't understand.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Mar 17, 2014 1:51pm
For Con Alma's benefit, I'll translate to his native language.dlazz;1592072 wrote:Shocking.
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Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Mar 17, 2014 1:52pm
It is not the norm. But neither is having red hair. Or having blue eyes, or being a professional athlete, or owning a home with a pool. There are a lot of things that aren't normal. I highly doubt that thavoice would refer to these people the same way he refers to gays. There is ONE thing about my sister that is not the norm. To me, that doesn't make her some abnormal weirdo. Everyone has a trait, habit, etc. that is not the norm. Do we go around calling them not normal?Con_Alma;1592066 wrote:Didn't you also by saying their sexual orientation may not be the norm???
I guess I don't understand.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 17, 2014 1:57pm
...soooooo you both don't think it's the norm.Fab4Runner;1592075 wrote:It is not the norm. But neither is having red hair. Or having blue eyes, or being a professional athlete, or owning a home with a pool. There are a lot of things that aren't normal. I highly doubt that thavoice would refer to these people the same way he refers to gays. There is ONE thing about my sister that is not the norm. To me, that doesn't make her some abnormal weirdo. Everyone has a trait, habit, etc. that is not the norm. Do we go around calling them not normal?
The conversation wasn't about all the other peculiar things we all do. It was about sexual orientation being on display at the parade....and that's what he commented on....sexual orientation.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Mar 17, 2014 2:00pm
Agree to disagree.Con_Alma;1592077 wrote:...soooooo you both don't think it's the norm.
The conversation wasn't about all the other peculiar things we all do. It was about sexual orientation being on display at the parade....and that's what he commented on....sexual orientation.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Mar 17, 2014 2:00pm
"But when every popular social gathering is turned into an opportunity for them to promote their view"
To be fair, most folks want to be left alone. Not everybody wants to be the "Jason Collins pioneer" that cheated on his girlfriend for years (and I'm sure she's had every STD test done as a result), and they deserve respect and privacy. I understand the frustration that a guy that acted badly is lauded for his behavior, and I agree that the political movement has gone too far - but the supermajority of gay people don't care and just want to live their lives.
To be fair, most folks want to be left alone. Not everybody wants to be the "Jason Collins pioneer" that cheated on his girlfriend for years (and I'm sure she's had every STD test done as a result), and they deserve respect and privacy. I understand the frustration that a guy that acted badly is lauded for his behavior, and I agree that the political movement has gone too far - but the supermajority of gay people don't care and just want to live their lives.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 17, 2014 2:02pm
I'm not sure we disagree!!!!! I'm just trying to understand your concern. You have both stated it's not the norm but you don't like that fact that he expressed it...even though you agree with him.Fab4Runner;1592079 wrote:Agree to disagree.