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Tiernan
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Mar 16, 2014 5:53am
It sleeps with the fishes. And the chances are it is not found for quite some time (years maybe) are pretty good.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 16, 2014 9:17am
You'd almost deliberately have to land the plane in the ocean to not create a debris field. And if that is the case, how do you explain away the lack of communication and sudden loss of the plane on radar?Tiernan;1591172 wrote:It sleeps with the fishes. And the chances are it is not found for quite some time (years maybe) are pretty good.
Just crashing into the ocean would create a detectable debris field.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Mar 16, 2014 9:21am
Didn't find the Air France plane for two years and they knew where it went down. This puppy is gone gone and gone. Tiernan is always right.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 16, 2014 9:24am
The one a few years ago? They pulled wreckage and bodies out of the water within 5 days of the wreck. It was the black boxes they didn't find for two years. Tiernan isn't always right.Tiernan;1591188 wrote:Didn't find the Air France plane for two years and they knew where it went down. This puppy is gone gone and gone. Tiernan is always right.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Mar 16, 2014 9:41am
Tiernan is rarely right. The word he was looking for after always was drunk.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 16, 2014 9:43am
Lol there it is! The classic American "but radar would have picked it up!"Glory Days;1591162 wrote:The plane crashed in the ocean. but to play along with your theory, the only place I see it being able to land fairly undetected is Africa. All of the other countries, even places like Pakistan, have somewhat modern radar and would pick up on something like a jumbo jet(especially coming from the direction of India). and a lot of those countries also have a heavy US military presence, so I would hope they would pick up on the plane too.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 16, 2014 9:44am
Right. Don't they have like 6 different navy's looking for this downed plane? You're telling me they can't find one single piece of debris in over a week of searching?WebFire;1591185 wrote:You'd almost deliberately have to land the plane in the ocean to not create a debris field. And if that is the case, how do you explain away the lack of communication and sudden loss of the plane on radar?
Just crashing into the ocean would create a detectable debris field.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Mar 16, 2014 9:46am
They were searching the wrong area the first 5 days
Tigerfan00
Posts: 3,427
Mar 16, 2014 11:02am
Is there a right area to search when you don't know where the hell it is?bases_loaded;1591200 wrote:They were searching the wrong area the first 5 days
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Mar 16, 2014 11:19am
I'm having a little bit of trouble believing what I'm reading in this thread.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Mar 16, 2014 11:29am
lol, what makes this one different than any other?Pick6;1591240 wrote:I'm having a little bit of trouble believing what I'm reading in this thread.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 16, 2014 12:04pm
IMO there is little chance that this plane, whether still fully intact or not, is anywhere near the ocean. Satellite pings now indicate the plane traveled more than seven hours after its last known communication over the south China sea, pointing to the theory that whoever was piloting the plane at that time was flying it to an intended location. In that scenario, it's very unlikely that the intended location was the middle of the Indian Ocean.
My guess is that the plane was headed north and either reached that location (some desolate desert strip somewhere in India or Pakistan) or hit inclement weather and crashed into the side of a 25-thousand-foot mountain near Nepal. In either case, the current search is way off base.
My guess is that the plane was headed north and either reached that location (some desolate desert strip somewhere in India or Pakistan) or hit inclement weather and crashed into the side of a 25-thousand-foot mountain near Nepal. In either case, the current search is way off base.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Mar 16, 2014 12:07pm
They lied/withheld information which lead to other country's navies looking on the probable flight path as opposed to the most updated one Malaysia knew about.Tigerfan00;1591227 wrote:Is there a right area to search when you don't know where the hell it is?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 16, 2014 12:30pm
This.reclegend22;1591255 wrote:IMO there is little chance that this plane, whether still fully intact or not, is anywhere near the ocean. Satellite pings now indicate the plane traveled more than seven hours after its last known communication over the south China sea, pointing to the theory that whoever was piloting the plane at that time was flying it to an intended location. In that scenario, it's very unlikely that the intended location was the middle of the Indian Ocean.
My guess is that the plane was headed north and either reached that location (some desolate desert strip somewhere in India or Pakistan) or hit inclement weather and crashed into the side of a 25-thousand-foot mountain near Nepal. In either case, the current search is way off base.
I laugh at the ignorance of those that think the pilot just lost control of the plane, drove hundreds of miles off path, and the plane crashed in the ocean. Lol.
-Society-
Posts: 1,348
Mar 16, 2014 12:58pm
Not quite correct there webby:WebFire;1591189 wrote:The one a few years ago? They pulled wreckage and bodies out of the water within 5 days of the wreck. It was the black boxes they didn't find for two years. Tiernan isn't always right.
What they found after 5 days was only floating on the surface.Bodies and debris from the Rio de Janeiro-to-Paris flight emerged in the days and weeks following the crash, but investigators took nearly two years to retrieve the main wreckage and "black boxes" from Flight 447.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Mar 16, 2014 1:00pm
I must be having a reading comprehension fail because it looks like webbie didn't say anything wrong to me.-Society-;1591276 wrote:Not quite correct there webby:
What they found after 5 days was only floating on the surface.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 16, 2014 1:18pm
Right?-Society-;1591276 wrote:Not quite correct there webby:
What they found after 5 days was only floating on the surface.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Mar 16, 2014 2:51pm
The flight recorders are what is important but yeah I reluctantly give you that the debris at least verified a crash. In the case of the Malaysian flight that would eliminate all the 007 theorists that so desperately want this plane to be found at some Dr Evil's Liar high in the Himalayas where he built a 5000 ft runway on an ice flow.
Cat Food Flambe'
Posts: 1,230
Mar 16, 2014 3:22pm
The problem is now in trying to find the debris field if it does indeed exist. The area they now to search is ginourmous - and the strong surface currents might take any wreckage hundreds of miles further away from any impact site. It would take weeks to cover the entire area. We knew more or less where the Air France flight went down with an area of about 50x50 miles, in an area with minimal ocean currents.
For the landing at a hidden site theory - quietly killing the passengers and remaining crew would have been easy - just shut off the cabin oxygen supply for a few minutes, and everyone loses the ability to raise an alarm in about ninety seconds.
For the landing at a hidden site theory - quietly killing the passengers and remaining crew would have been easy - just shut off the cabin oxygen supply for a few minutes, and everyone loses the ability to raise an alarm in about ninety seconds.
-Society-
Posts: 1,348
Mar 16, 2014 3:32pm
It was a reading comprehension fail. What webby said implied that they found the plane within 5 days, they didn't. They only found debris floating on the surface. Not the same.Pick6;1591278 wrote:I must be having a reading comprehension fail because it looks like webbie didn't say anything wrong to me.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Mar 16, 2014 3:37pm
You do realize how large the ocean is right? 6 navy's wouldn't be enough for the Great Lakes, let alone the Indian Ocean.SportsAndLady;1591197 wrote:Right. Don't they have like 6 different navy's looking for this downed plane? You're telling me they can't find one single piece of debris in over a week of searching?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 16, 2014 3:37pm
No, that's exactly what I meant. The found wreckage (debris) and bodies in the water within 5 days. They KNEW the had a crash.-Society-;1591416 wrote:It was a reading comprehension fail. What webby said implied that they found the plane within 5 days, they didn't. They only found debris floating on the surface. Not the same.
-Society-
Posts: 1,348
Mar 16, 2014 3:45pm
Well, no shit they KNEW they had a crash, but they didn't find the main wreckage until 2 years later. Lol!!11!1!!!!1!11 Just because they found debris FLOATING on the water, does not mean that they found the actual plane. LoL!!!1!1111!1!!!11!WebFire;1591420 wrote:No, that's exactly what I meant. The found wreckage (debris) and bodies in the water within 5 days. They KNEW the had a crash.
If I drop a box of cheerios in my pond and find cheerios floating on the water a few minutes later, it doesn't mean that I found the box of cheerios.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 16, 2014 3:50pm
Go back and re-read, then maybe you'll understand what's going on here.-Society-;1591423 wrote:Well, no shit they KNEW they had a crash, but they didn't find the main wreckage until 2 years later. Lol!!11!1!!!!1!11 Just because they found debris FLOATING on the water, does not mean that they found the actual plane. LoL!!!1!1111!1!!!11!
If I drop a box of cheerios in my pond and find cheerios floating on the water a few minutes later, it doesn't mean that I found the box of cheerios.
-Society-
Posts: 1,348
Mar 16, 2014 3:53pm
No need to. I fully understand. What tiernan said was correct:WebFire;1591427 wrote:Go back and re-read, then maybe you'll understand what's going on here.
You tried being smart and come out looking like an idiot. lOl!1!1!1!1!!!!1!1!11Didn't find the Air France plane for two years and they knew where it went down.