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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Feb 28, 2014 12:42pm
Do you consider all 501(c)(3)'s the same? Meaning tax them all or just hell bent on taxing churches only?sleeper;1585668 wrote:Stop calling sales "donations" and there you have it. Revenue minus expenses = profit. Tax the profit.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Feb 28, 2014 12:45pm
Any employee of the church does pay taxes on their salary.sleeper;1585649 wrote:What about wages paid to the CEOs of churches? Since that money comes through donations that have already been taxed, should they have to pay taxes on their salary?
Churches are businesses that sell eternal salvation as their product and they need to be taxed according. Just because churches occassionally give money to poor people doesn't mean they should be exempt from paying taxes like every other business out there. Exxon Mobile donates millions of dollars each year for education, should they have to pay taxes?
Answer this question sleeper, churches (most) stay out of politics in order to keep their 501(c)(3) status (there are laws against religious institutions becoming political and backing certain candidates, etc). If you want to tax them would you be "ok" with churches then being able to donate large sums of money to politicians and feeding money into PACs to push legislation?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 28, 2014 1:09pm
Taxing churches to balance the negative externality of deluding the masses and promoting ignorance.jmog;1585670 wrote:Do you consider all 501(c)(3)'s the same? Meaning tax them all or just hell bent on taxing churches only?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 28, 2014 1:09pm
Yes. It would certainly make life easier to vote against any candidate that the church supports.jmog;1585672 wrote:Any employee of the church does pay taxes on their salary.
Answer this question sleeper, churches (most) stay out of politics in order to keep their 501(c)(3) status (there are laws against religious institutions becoming political and backing certain candidates, etc). If you want to tax them would you be "ok" with churches then being able to donate large sums of money to politicians and feeding money into PACs to push legislation?
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Feb 28, 2014 1:32pm
Biblical and inaccuracies in the same sentence proves my point exactly.OSH;1585371 wrote:Nothing like biblical inaccuracies in memes to prove a point...
Ironic is ironic
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MontyBrunswick
Feb 28, 2014 1:32pm
They should just tax any entity (person/business) the same. Remove the possibility of wiggle room (and thus, loopholes)
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Feb 28, 2014 1:55pm
Well, I don't the businesses should be doing it, so that's an easy one to answer.jmog;1585672 wrote:Any employee of the church does pay taxes on their salary.
Answer this question sleeper, churches (most) stay out of politics in order to keep their 501(c)(3) status (there are laws against religious institutions becoming political and backing certain candidates, etc). If you want to tax them would you be "ok" with churches then being able to donate large sums of money to politicians and feeding money into PACs to push legislation?
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Feb 28, 2014 2:00pm
Reps for the Seinfeld reference.thavoice;1585644 wrote:Exactly, and that is why I never write off my charital donations every year to The Human Fund.
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wkfan
Posts: 1,641
Feb 28, 2014 2:17pm
Seems to me you are trying to punish a category of organizations just because you don't believe in what they do.sleeper;1585680 wrote:Taxing churches to balance the negative externality of deluding the masses and promoting ignorance.
Sounds pretty small minded of you.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Feb 28, 2014 2:24pm
What about the negative externality of deluding the masses and promoting ignorance that comes from far left wing crazy 501(c)(3)s like ASPCA, Greenspeace, Sierra Club, etc. By your own logic shouldn't they be paying taxes then too?sleeper;1585680 wrote:Taxing churches to balance the negative externality of deluding the masses and promoting ignorance.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 28, 2014 2:25pm
Not punishing; just trying to have them play by the same rules as other businesses.wkfan;1585708 wrote:Seems to me you are trying to punish a category of organizations just because you don't believe in what they do.
Sounds pretty small minded of you.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Feb 28, 2014 2:25pm
So since most churches would probably be supporting conservative/republican candidates does that mean you will be an Obama/liberal supporter then?sleeper;1585682 wrote:Yes. It would certainly make life easier to vote against any candidate that the church supports.
Sucks when you contradict yourself doesn't it?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 28, 2014 2:26pm
Wouldn't even scratch the surface of the damage done by religious organizations.jmog;1585711 wrote:What about the negative externality of deluding the masses and promoting ignorance that comes from far left wing crazy 501(c)(3)s like ASPCA, Greenspeace, Sierra Club, etc. By your own logic shouldn't they be paying taxes then too?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 28, 2014 2:26pm
Called the libertarian party bro.jmog;1585713 wrote:So since most churches would probably be supporting conservative/republican candidates does that mean you will be an Obama/liberal supporter then?
Sucks when you contradict yourself doesn't it?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Feb 28, 2014 2:28pm
So both (Greenspeace and churches) are "spreading ignorance" by sleeper logic, but since in sleeper's opinion one has done more damage it should be taxed and the other should not?sleeper;1585714 wrote:Wouldn't even scratch the surface of the damage done by religious organizations.
You honestly can't believe your own crap that you spew can you?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Feb 28, 2014 2:30pm
You do know that many churches would support same libertarian right? Most church people I know are fed up with both parties and want the government out of their lives completely, sounds libertarian to me.sleeper;1585716 wrote:Called the libertarian party bro.
Guess you'll have to find another party then huh sleeper?
You would HATE to admit that politically you are actually very close to religious "idiots" huh?
Most Christians I know would vote libertarian if they really had a shot, instead go republican as the lesser of 2 evils.
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wkfan
Posts: 1,641
Feb 28, 2014 2:30pm
Those that are businesses should play by the same rules. Unfortunately, at least for your revengeful motives, not all churches are businesses but are very legitimately charities and should be treated as such.sleeper;1585712 wrote:Not punishing; just trying to have them play by the same rules as other businesses.
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MontyBrunswick
Feb 28, 2014 2:33pm
Like Westboro Baptist?wkfan;1585721 wrote:Unfortunately, at least for your revengeful motives, not all churches are businesses but are very legitimately charities and should be treated as such.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Feb 28, 2014 2:34pm
Like every muslim is a terrorist?dlazz;1585722 wrote:Like Westboro Baptist?
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wkfan
Posts: 1,641
Feb 28, 2014 2:35pm
As I stated, those that are businesses should be treated as such. I do not view Westboro Baptist as a charity, although under the law they may be.....I just don't know enough about them to know for sure.dlazz;1585722 wrote:Like Westboro Baptist?
However, I do not consider them to be a Church in the way that I view what a Church is.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 28, 2014 2:36pm
When Greenpace collectively brings in billions of dollars a year and pays zero taxes on their profits; then you may have a point.jmog;1585718 wrote:So both (Greenspeace and churches) are "spreading ignorance" by sleeper logic, but since in sleeper's opinion one has done more damage it should be taxed and the other should not?
You honestly can't believe your own crap that you spew can you?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 28, 2014 2:37pm
Is Exxon Mobile a charity? Can we call dividends "donations" and profits "surplus" or can we just stop playing games and tax churches like every other profit making scheme out there?wkfan;1585721 wrote:Those that are businesses should play by the same rules. Unfortunately, at least for your revengeful motives, not all churches are businesses but are very legitimately charities and should be treated as such.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 28, 2014 2:38pm
You've only had sex with one woman. : thumbup:jmog;1585719 wrote:You do know that many churches would support same libertarian right? Most church people I know are fed up with both parties and want the government out of their lives completely, sounds libertarian to me.
Guess you'll have to find another party then huh sleeper?
You would HATE to admit that politically you are actually very close to religious "idiots" huh?
Most Christians I know would vote libertarian if they really had a shot, instead go republican as the lesser of 2 evils.
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wkfan
Posts: 1,641
Feb 28, 2014 2:39pm
When you can't back up your point, you just re-state it?sleeper;1585726 wrote:Is Exxon Mobile a charity? Can we call dividends "donations" and profits "surplus" or can we just stop playing games and tax churches like every other profit making scheme out there?
I see your game.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Feb 28, 2014 2:39pm
Nice straw man fallacy...any others you want to throw out there? Of course that could fall under anecdotal fallacy, sharpshooter fallacy, composition/division fallacy, etc.dlazz;1585722 wrote:Like Westboro Baptist?
Idea is your argument is wrong asserting 1 bad apple means they all are.