Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 16, 2014 10:02pm
I simply don't watch until week 1....but this being basically the first preseason game for everyone....how many of these excessive calls are on guys that will be deep on the depth chart? Maybe those guys are trying to prove a point but can't without the extra illegal contact/holding.KB0938;1644878 wrote:I sure hope so lol
Just guessing
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Aug 16, 2014 10:15pm
I understand what you mean and how theres usually more flags in the preseason than the regular season for reasons just like that. But this is excessive for even the preseason.Ironman92;1644880 wrote:I simply don't watch until week 1....but this being basically the first preseason game for everyone....how many of these excessive calls are on guys that will be deep on the depth chart? Maybe those guys are trying to prove a point but can't without the extra illegal contact/holding.
Just guessing
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000376637/article/illegal-contact-penalties-fly-in-first-week-of-preseason
"ESPN's John Clayton did the math, tallying 27 illegal contact penalties in the first 17 preseason games. By comparison, there were 37 such infractions all of last season. We saw 53 defensive holding calls from Thursday through Saturday. Compare that to the 171 defensive holds from September through December of last year." And its def kept up this 2nd week
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 16, 2014 10:27pm
Thanks for the stats to back up your issue. Sucks the refs are ruining preseason fun for those that enjoy. Hopefully it is much better during the season.....but cracking down hard on something this early could let players know they aren't getting away with it this year. Might be wanting the casual fan even more as they prefer offense.KB0938;1644882 wrote:I understand what you mean and how theres usually more flags in the preseason than the regular season for reasons just like that. But this is excessive for even the preseason.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000376637/article/illegal-contact-penalties-fly-in-first-week-of-preseason
"ESPN's John Clayton did the math, tallying 27 illegal contact penalties in the first 17 preseason games. By comparison, there were 37 such infractions all of last season. We saw 53 defensive holding calls from Thursday through Saturday. Compare that to the 171 defensive holds from September through December of last year." And its def kept up this 2nd week
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HelloAgain
Posts: 537
Aug 16, 2014 10:40pm
If they're going to call defensive holding and illegal contact this close during the season, Peyton's passing records may not last one year.
It also damages the Seahawks as they've been known as among the most aggressive at bending these rules in the past.
It also damages the Seahawks as they've been known as among the most aggressive at bending these rules in the past.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 16, 2014 10:46pm
I don't prefer 45-42 games.HelloAgain;1644886 wrote:If they're going to call defensive holding and illegal contact this close during the season, Peyton's passing records may not last one year.
It also damages the Seahawks as they've been known as among the most aggressive at bending these rules in the past.
I like football games.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 16, 2014 11:17pm
Let me know when you have stats that are relevant, such as comparing this years preseason penalties with last years. You're proving all of our points in that its a considerable decline when the games actually matter.KB0938;1644882 wrote:I understand what you mean and how theres usually more flags in the preseason than the regular season for reasons just like that. But this is excessive for even the preseason.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000376637/article/illegal-contact-penalties-fly-in-first-week-of-preseason
"ESPN's John Clayton did the math, tallying 27 illegal contact penalties in the first 17 preseason games. By comparison, there were 37 such infractions all of last season. We saw 53 defensive holding calls from Thursday through Saturday. Compare that to the 171 defensive holds from September through December of last year." And its def kept up this 2nd week
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 16, 2014 11:22pm
2013 preseason avg 11.3 penalties per game.
2014 so far in preseason 14.8 penalties per game
2014 so far in preseason 14.8 penalties per game
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Aug 16, 2014 11:36pm
There will be a lot of calls early in the season. Defenses will adjust and refs will ease off as the season goes on, once the NFL realizes that everyone is pissed off about all the flags.
It won't be nearly as bad to watch as college basketball was this past year.
It won't be nearly as bad to watch as college basketball was this past year.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 16, 2014 11:46pm
Thanks. How about week 1 2013 preseason vs week 1 2014 preseason? Makes sense to me that calls would decrease as preseason goes on.Ironman92;1644901 wrote:2013 preseason avg 11.3 penalties per game.
2014 so far in preseason 14.8 penalties per game
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 16, 2014 11:47pm
Hated college basketball in the beginning of the year as much as anyone, but I thought it was fine as the season went on.Mulva;1644912 wrote:There will be a lot of calls early in the season. Defenses will adjust and refs will ease off as the season goes on, once the NFL realizes that everyone is pissed off about all the flags.
It won't be nearly as bad to watch as college basketball was this past year.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Aug 17, 2014 12:00am
It was bad early on, but it will level out and there won't even be a noticeable difference by this year and years coming.
salto
Posts: 2,611
Aug 17, 2014 4:36am
Anyone else watch the Vikings vs. Cardinals preseason game? At least watch the last few minutes.
wow....that was a really fun preseason game.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/bridgewater-vikings-rally-past-cardinals-30-28-25011560
wow....that was a really fun preseason game.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/bridgewater-vikings-rally-past-cardinals-30-28-25011560
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 17, 2014 9:43am
2013 1st week avg penalties preseason..... 12.2 per gamePick6;1644918 wrote:Thanks. How about week 1 2013 preseason vs week 1 2014 preseason? Makes sense to me that calls would decrease as preseason goes on.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Aug 18, 2014 9:59am
Similiar to Hockey a few years ago when they finally cracked down on obstruction. It was ugly early on but ended up making the game better.Mulva;1644912 wrote:There will be a lot of calls early in the season. Defenses will adjust and refs will ease off as the season goes on, once the NFL realizes that everyone is pissed off about all the flags.
It won't be nearly as bad to watch as college basketball was this past year.
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Aug 18, 2014 8:37pm
Considering the press release the NFL released regarding this, they seem pretty set on itPick6;1644897 wrote:Let me know when you have stats that are relevant, such as comparing this years preseason penalties with last years. You're proving all of our points in that its a considerable decline when the games actually matter.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 18, 2014 9:36pm
I take it back lol. See Browns thread. Ridiculous.KB0938;1645407 wrote:Considering the press release the NFL released regarding this, they seem pretty set on it
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Aug 18, 2014 9:44pm
Yeah lol its badPick6;1645456 wrote:I take it back lol. See Browns thread. Ridiculous.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 20, 2014 7:35am
Good God, the arrogance of Goodell and the NFL. The league is taking "bids" for halftime show performers for the 2015 Super Bowl. The finalists are Katy Perry, Rhianna & Coldplay....but get this, the league wants the performers to pay a performance "fee" or donate money to the league due to the "exposure" they are going to get.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Aug 20, 2014 8:14am
I know. Because all three of those performers definitely are in need of exposure and could really be helped by pulling such a prestigious gig.BR1986FB;1645969 wrote:Good God, the arrogance of Goodell and the NFL. The league is taking "bids" for halftime show performers for the 2015 Super Bowl. The finalists are Katy Perry, Rhianna & Coldplay....but get this, the league wants the performers to pay a performance "fee" or donate money to the league due to the "exposure" they are going to get.
Goodell needs to get real. NFL halftimes are nearly always overblown garbage that (at least with my group of friends) are used for social hour with the TV muted (or us in another room) where the people watching them are the ones who probably aren't watching the actual game so closely.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 20, 2014 8:29am
Precisely. I would've loved to see Goodell try to pull that crap when Kiss played the SB. That money grubbing Gene Simmons would've laughed in his face.Heretic;1645978 wrote:I know. Because all three of those performers definitely are in need of exposure and could really be helped by pulling such a prestigious gig.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Aug 20, 2014 9:39am
"We didn't sign on to do our 58th 'last tour EVAR' to pay people to let us play!"BR1986FB;1645984 wrote:Precisely. I would've loved to see Goodell try to pull that crap when Kiss played the SB. That money grubbing Gene Simmons would've laughed in his face.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Aug 20, 2014 7:45pm
Le'Veon Bell, and LaGarrette Blount, arrested for weed.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/20/steelers-leveon-bell-and-legarrette-blount-both-arrested/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/20/steelers-leveon-bell-and-legarrette-blount-both-arrested/
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 20, 2014 8:22pm
Does anyone else find it ironic that one's name is pronounced "blunt?"HighRoller74;1646180 wrote:Le'Veon Bell, and LaGarrette Blount, arrested for weed.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/20/steelers-leveon-bell-and-legarrette-blount-both-arrested/
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Aug 20, 2014 8:32pm
BR1986FB;1645969 wrote:Good God, the arrogance of Goodell and the NFL. The league is taking "bids" for halftime show performers for the 2015 Super Bowl. The finalists are Katy Perry, Rhianna & Coldplay....but get this, the league wants the performers to pay a performance "fee" or donate money to the league due to the "exposure" they are going to get.
....Not content enough to gouge season ticket holders for two full priced exhibition games.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Aug 20, 2014 9:08pm
lol, fucking unreal. This shit never shocks me anymore. Rocks for brains.HighRoller74;1646180 wrote:Le'Veon Bell, and LaGarrette Blount, arrested for weed.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/20/steelers-leveon-bell-and-legarrette-blount-both-arrested/
Kent State guy will probably get the start.