isadore wrote: the present healthcare system is an obvious example of a market failure.

The present status of Medicare is an example of federal government failure. $36 trillion in unfunded liabilities. About to go cash flow negative.

You fail to grasp the point of this thread. An idividual has a right to be free to provide for himself the means to his rights. If our rights derive from the government, do we really have that right, if the power that provides it is not ourselves. Those that provide it can just as easily take it away or use it to coerce us to act as they please.

You also fail to explain to me why the federal government should be providing those who can't afford health insurance to protect themselves against finacial ruin and why the federal government should not provide arms to protect those who can't afford those arms to protect themselves from physical harm.

Before we can argue how the provision of those who have legitimate needs shoud be met, you must first answer the aforementioned question.

majorspark wrote:

isadore wrote: the present healthcare system is an obvious example of a market failure.

The present status of Medicare is an example of federal government failure. $36 trillion in unfunded liabilities. About to go cash flow negative.

You fail to grasp the point of this thread. An idividual has a right to be free to provide for himself the means to his rights. If our rights derive from the government, do we really have that right, if the power that provides it is not ourselves. Those that provide it can just as easily take it away or use it to coerce us to act as they please.

You also fail to explain to me why the federal government should be providing those who can't afford health insurance to protect themselves against finacial ruin and why the federal government should not provide arms to protect those who can't afford those arms to protect themselves from physical harm.

Before we can argue how the provision of those who have legitimate needs shoud be met, you must first answer the aforementioned question.

The government is an institution that was established by the people to secure their rights to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and promote our general welfare among other things. Without food, without shelter, without medical care Americans will die, they will loss that basic right to life. The present system that relies on private medical coverage puts millions of Americans in a situation without medical coverage, that is deadly. Americans have the right to own a gun, but most chose not to exercise that right and the vast majority live long lives with no need of them.

DO YOU EVEN F'ING KNOW WHAT A FREE (MARKET) ECONOMY IS?

gosh a rooties, I am not sure. But I would guess something that has never really existed in our nation. But our government from the get go has always been involved in the market. From tariffs under Hamilton to protect our industries, use of government power to suppress strikes against industry then later to favor union organizations with the Wagner Act, to giving away free land under the homestead act to would be farmers. So it was ok to enter the market to protect and enrich these groups but not ok to provide for those in need of medical care. Oh, you may not have noticed but your capital lock is on.

I'm having flashbacks to the days of old!

please tell me, what is Center BHS that you are a fan?

isadore wrote:

majorspark wrote: ]

The present status of Medicare is an example of federal government failure. $36 trillion in unfunded liabilities. About to go cash flow negative.

. Americans have the right to own a gun, but most chose not to exercise that right and the vast majority live long lives with no need of them.

Both of you, if you present something as a fact you must back it up with a source.

Speaking of guns, I believe that guns should be an automatic right to individuals. It's the registered gun users that you don't have to worry about, IMO. I admit to being a little skeptical about automatics, but I think that is a slippery slope that I don't think needs to be greased down. I also think that the majority of automatics are collectors, at least that is my best guess. Perhaps a higher tax on those might be the answer, and gun collectors can afford it, from my experience.
Also, I take care of two elderly and sick parents. The sheriff dept. can take up to 45 minutes and up to get to my house on a call. I'm not going to risk hoping that I'll have a good-natured burglar, thankyouverymuch.
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Isa, Center is my favorite football position. They're the backbone of the line and unglorified. BHS is my school...er...my alma mater.

CenterBHSFan wrote:Isa, Center is my favorite football position.

You just like the QB's hands on your unspeakables, don't you


I kid

hahaha ernest!! I would guess that you would be right!
That is, IF I was still that young! I'm old enough to be a parent of those young'ens!

Oh...and I'm a girl! LOL

Well then, pardon me, ma'am

CenterBHSFan wrote: Speaking of guns, I believe that guns should be an automatic right to individuals. It's the registered gun users that you don't have to worry about, IMO. I admit to being a little skeptical about automatics, but I think that is a slippery slope that I don't think needs to be greased down. I also think that the majority of automatics are collectors, at least that is my best guess. Perhaps a higher tax on those might be the answer, and gun collectors can afford it, from my experience.
Also, I take care of two elderly and sick parents. The sheriff dept. can take up to 45 minutes and up to get to my house on a call. I'm not going to risk hoping that I'll have a good-natured burglar, thankyouverymuch.
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Isa, Center is my favorite football position. They're the backbone of the line and unglorified. BHS is my school...er...my alma mater.

you want everyone to have an unchecked automatic right to acquire a gun?

centers are by far the most intelligent and talented people on the offensive line.

No, I don't want everybody to have an unchecked automatic right to acquire a gun. That wouldn't happen, anyway. People still have to register and go through backround checks.

*glad to see we can agree on something!

LJ wrote:

isadore wrote:

majorspark wrote: ]

The present status of Medicare is an example of federal government failure. $36 trillion in unfunded liabilities. About to go cash flow negative.

. Americans have the right to own a gun, but most chose not to exercise that right and the vast majority live long lives with no need of them.

Both of you, if you present something as a fact you must back it up with a source.

"In 2004, 36.5% of Americans reported having a gun in their home and in 1997, 40% of Americans reported having a gun in their homes. At this time there were approximately 44 million gun owners in the United States. This means that 25 percent of all adults, and 40 percent of American households, owned at least one firearm. These owners possessed 192 million firearms, of which 65 million were handguns
"http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/07/pdf/070410.guns.norc.pdf


"American Life Expectancy Up to 78"
http://www.corporatelogo.com/hotnews/american-life-expectancy-up-to-78.html

I always preferred daffy duck and bugs bunny to mickey mouse.

CenterBHSFan wrote: No, I don't want everybody to have an unchecked automatic right to acquire a gun. That wouldn't happen, anyway. People still have to register and go through backround checks.

*glad to see we can agree on something!

right, we agree about centers, make the snap then block with some goon of a nose guard right over you.

LJ wrote:

isadore wrote:

majorspark wrote: ]

The present status of Medicare is an example of federal government failure. $36 trillion in unfunded liabilities. About to go cash flow negative.

. Americans have the right to own a gun, but most chose not to exercise that right and the vast majority live long lives with no need of them.

Both of you, if you present something as a fact you must back it up with a source.

Damn broke a rule already.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/03/news/economy/104239768.fortune/index.htm

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba662

What if Americans choose to not exercise their right to purchase health insurance?

cost should not prevent any American from receiving medical care. if cost is removed as a determining factor and a person can refuse to receive medical care that is their choice.

Nothing is free. Cost is always a factor.

But the thing is, our government now wants to fine and/or jail folks who do not bend to the government's will.

Hey! Let's just go back to a monarchy! You know....the REAL monarchy of the European variety! Dependency is GRRRRRRRRRRREATTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

thats what governments do to people who violate the laws passed by popularly elected legislatures.

now it we are considering monarchy lets go for the real thing, not those pale european remanants of things past.

but none of it matches to the sugar high of Tony's frosted flakes.

but none of it matches to the sugar high of Tony's frosted flakes.

AHAHAHA!!!