ernest_t_bass wrote:

isadore wrote: while central you are often quite purposely hilarious, this time you are way off.
we have got the a health care system that fails to cover tens of millions of citizens, that gives us the lowest life expectancy of any industrialized nation with the highest infant mortality rate. these other nations have been able to design much more effective and inexpensive healthcare systems than we have. that is nothing to laugh about.

I ain't gonna lie... this was a tough read
:huh:

Silent No More

Dear Editor,
Why protest now?
In the last few weeks, I have been asked, (1) "Where were you when the last administration was spending out of control?"
My response: I was in the same comfortable place that many are today ... in my kitchen with friends complaining about the Government ... but doing nothing.
I was part of the "Silent Majority."
Question (2) "Why are you protesting now?"
My response: I woke up when the government moved too fast on too many issues while spending too much of the tax payers' money.
I woke up to the reality that some years ago the government began to grow ... slowly at first. With each consecutive election more control was grabbed by the government. Today, the people are in danger of losing not just their money, but their Constitutional rights and freedoms, possible forever. The government totally dismisses the will of people. It seems there is a war between the people and the government. A war in which there is no winner. A war in which the foundation of our country could be forever destroyed.
All who love this country need to wake up, stand up and speak up!
We need to do whatever we can to protect the freedoms with which God has blessed this great nation. We need to do it now, today! Be "Silent No More!"
The government needs to slow down and listen to the will of the people.
The people need to know the candidate for whom they are voting.
Campaign speeches, do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of the person making the speech.
If we do our homework and find out what candidates stood for before he or she decided to run for office we should get a better picture of what direction they will lead the nation.

isadore wrote:

Cleveland Buck wrote: Safety nets like unemployment and even welfare which are just general handouts to people that can be spent any way they choose are acceptable to me in a limited form and should really be run by each state. Any government entitlement into a specific industry like health care can not be financially sustained because the government's presence in that market will distort (meaning skyrocket) prices, which means everyone else will need help paying those prices, which means more government intervention, which means $12 trillion debt and crashing currency.

privatizing health care sky rocketed the price.
it kept the price much lower other nations with true public options.

ernest_t_bass wrote:

isadore wrote:it is sad you have so little faith in the American people. Our elected officials are a reflection of us, we select them. They may not baby sit your cat, but they run the institutions that protect you and your family, the police, courts and military.

When elected, these officials focus on ONE thing in particular, before thinking about the "public" .... RE-ELECTION.

While this may not be true for 100% of all elected officials, it is definitely true for the majority.

Cleveland Buck wrote:

isadore wrote:

Cleveland Buck wrote: Safety nets like unemployment and even welfare which are just general handouts to people that can be spent any way they choose are acceptable to me in a limited form and should really be run by each state. Any government entitlement into a specific industry like health care can not be financially sustained because the government's presence in that market will distort (meaning skyrocket) prices, which means everyone else will need help paying those prices, which means more government intervention, which means $12 trillion debt and crashing currency.

privatizing health care sky rocketed the price.
it kept the price much lower other nations with true public options.

We don't have private health care. We have a health care system of a couple public options in Medicaid and Medicare, and the rest is subsidized by federal tax breaks and incentives. It is a mess. A truly private health care system would probably cost less than half of what we pay now for the same quality of care.

And other countries with socialized health care don't pay as much as we do because they ration the care. They would pay double or more if people could make an appointment and see their doctor within a week or if they didn't refuse treatment to terminal patients.

CenterBHSFan wrote: What's the population differential between the U.S., the UK, France, and Canada?

isadore wrote: why, that was the subject introduced in the initial post of the thread by majorsparks when he/she began it. And the discussion has been about whether that was a right and whether it should be provided by government, both reflected in the title of the thread.
and it is so nice, snug and comfy here.

CenterBHSFan wrote: A "letters to the editor" from my local paper, The Times Leader:

Silent No More

Dear Editor,
Why protest now?
In the last few weeks, I have been asked, (1) "Where were you when the last administration was spending out of control?"
My response: I was in the same comfortable place that many are today ... in my kitchen with friends complaining about the Government ... but doing nothing.
I was part of the "Silent Majority."
Question (2) "Why are you protesting now?"
My response: I woke up when the government moved too fast on too many issues while spending too much of the tax payers' money.
I woke up to the reality that some years ago the government began to grow ... slowly at first. With each consecutive election more control was grabbed by the government. Today, the people are in danger of losing not just their money, but their Constitutional rights and freedoms, possible forever. The government totally dismisses the will of people. It seems there is a war between the people and the government. A war in which there is no winner. A war in which the foundation of our country could be forever destroyed.
All who love this country need to wake up, stand up and speak up!
We need to do whatever we can to protect the freedoms with which God has blessed this great nation. We need to do it now, today! Be "Silent No More!"
The government needs to slow down and listen to the will of the people.
The people need to know the candidate for whom they are voting.
Campaign speeches, do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of the person making the speech.
If we do our homework and find out what candidates stood for before he or she decided to run for office we should get a better picture of what direction they will lead the nation.

http://www.timesleaderonline.com/page/category.detail/nav/5007/Letters-to-the-editor.html

I Wear Pants wrote: I still find it amazing that we live in "the greatest country on earth" and the richest one too and a good percentage of our population is absolutely fine with millions of our citizens going without health care.

ernest_t_bass wrote: AVAILABLE is the key word. Not mandated.

Welfare is available to those who need it, and qualify, same as most other safety nets.

When EVERYONE gets it, regardless, you are no longer providing a safety net, but a public good.

CenterBHSFan wrote: Gosh a rooties.

I like it!

isadore wrote:well its not available to many and that is not good for the public.

ernest_t_bass wrote:

isadore wrote:well its not available to many and that is not good for the public.

I give up.

CenterBHSFan wrote: Isa,

My point about the number differential was that with America being so much more populated than those other countries, that our numbers are BOUND to be different than theirs.
It cannot, realistically, be helped.