Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jan 31, 2014 1:28pm
That's the sort of thing that makes me want to ask my mom about the Cookie Walk her church does every December. Because it's a church-run fundraising event that's one of their best ones as as raising charitable funds, but it's handled by all the participating members baking a shit-ton of cookies that then get put into boxes for sale to the community.WebFire;1574788 wrote:I know when our fire department does their annual chicken BBQ, which is a fund raiser as a non-pro, we have to follow the regulations. We've even had an inspector stop by. I think there are some exceptions to the regulations based on what we are doing (because it wouldn't be practical), but we are not exempt from following the rules.
You'll love this one, since I've seen mention of difference between selling and giving away. We would always seek donations for cookies to give with the BBQ dinners. Usually it was the fireman's wives that made them. The one year we had the inspector stop, he told us that wasn't allowed because we could not list the ingredients in each package (and some other BS). But, he said the way around it was to offer "free cookies with each meal" instead of offering it as part of the meal.
Hell, even the non-prof church-affiliated pre-school in our town has to follow certain rules about their snacks. The pretty much have to buy prepackaged food so that is has ingredients and nutritional info on it.
I've never heard her talking about them having to deal with stupid bullshit like this, but that doesn't mean they don't. But I've never heard anything about individual members or the church in general having to be inspected before they're allowed to bring in their cookies.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 31, 2014 1:28pm
So that's my question. How fast do we let them drive before giving a ticket?Al Bundy;1574805 wrote:You would hope that those in positions of power use common sense and look at each case individually. If I am driving 36mph where the speed limit is 35mph, I am breaking the rule, but the cop will use common sense and not issue me a ticket.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 31, 2014 1:29pm
I believe the official explanation for not getting a ticket for going 36 in a 35 is due to margin of error on speedometers. Something like 10%WebFire;1574817 wrote:So that's my question. How fast do we let them drive before giving a ticket?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 31, 2014 1:30pm
It's not slippery slope. It's about upholding laws and regulations. After all, she got 2 years without any government intervention. I am just asking where is the line? There has to be one somewhere.queencitybuckeye;1574802 wrote:"Slippery slope" arguments need to become a corollary to Godwin's law.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 31, 2014 1:30pm
Thank you.LJ;1574818 wrote:I believe the official explanation for not getting a ticket for going 36 in a 35 is due to margin of error on speedometers. Something like 10%
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 31, 2014 1:31pm
We let the professional on the scene make that call based on his experience, training, and judgement based on the purpose of the law, which is a safe flow of traffic.WebFire;1574817 wrote:So that's my question. How fast do we let them drive before giving a ticket?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 31, 2014 1:31pm
How is this girl different from adults doing the same exact thing? The cupcake ladies making a little extra grocery money. Seems you are all outraged based purely on age.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 31, 2014 1:32pm
Sounds like that happened in the cupcake case. So what's the gripe again?queencitybuckeye;1574822 wrote:We let the professional on the scene make that call based on his experience, training, and judgement based on the purpose of the law, which is a safe flow of traffic.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 31, 2014 1:34pm
Saying that letting her "get away" with not licensing her so-called business will lead to grownups putting their business into their kids' names is the very definition of a slippery slope argument.WebFire;1574820 wrote:It's not slippery slope. It's about upholding laws and regulations. After all, she got 2 years without any government intervention. I am just asking where is the line? There has to be one somewhere.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 31, 2014 1:37pm
Usually these kind of regulations apply to places of public accomodation. Nothing in this article suggests this was anything more than a kid's "lemonade stand." The article states that she 'sells to mostly family and friends'. The questiion here is about overzealous application of the rules by government and common sense enforcement. should high school 'bake sale' fundraisers be illegal?I find it hilarious that some of those who would normally complain about special treatment are wanting this girl to get special treatment
C'mon! there's enough pencil necks that real businesses have to deal with....give the kid a break.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 31, 2014 1:37pm
That either no judgement was used, or that it was used badly. Do you believe that requiring a child to set up a separate kitchen from their family kitchen to allow her to sell baked goods to friends and family (only) serves a significant public good?WebFire;1574824 wrote:Sounds like that happened in the cupcake case. So what's the gripe again?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 31, 2014 1:43pm
No, I don't.queencitybuckeye;1574829 wrote:That either no judgement was used, or that it was used badly. Do you believe that requiring a child to set up a separate kitchen from their family kitchen to allow her to sell baked goods to friends and family (only) serves a significant public good?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 31, 2014 1:47pm
I get what you saying about bake sales, but I view them much differently than an actual food service. I'll have to check at our next basketball game to see if the ingredients are listed on the items. You might be surprised what they do have to follow.HitsRus;1574827 wrote:Usually these kind of regulations apply to places of public accomodation. Nothing in this article suggests this was anything more than a kid's "lemonade stand." The article states that she 'sells to mostly family and friends'. The questiion here is about overzealous application of the rules by government and common sense enforcement. should high school 'bake sale' fundraisers be illegal?
C'mon! there's enough pencil necks that real businesses have to deal with....give the kid a break.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 31, 2014 1:48pm
If it were the lemonade stand scenario, then I agree with most everyone here. But I didn't take it that way. Seemed they were presenting it as on ongoing business for 2 years now. That is why I feel the way I do.HitsRus;1574827 wrote:Usually these kind of regulations apply to places of public accomodation. Nothing in this article suggests this was anything more than a kid's "lemonade stand." The article states that she 'sells to mostly family and friends'. The questiion here is about overzealous application of the rules by government and common sense enforcement. should high school 'bake sale' fundraisers be illegal?
C'mon! there's enough pencil necks that real businesses have to deal with....give the kid a break.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Jan 31, 2014 2:03pm
I'm with you on this. The girl is trying to make enough money to buy a freaking car.WebFire;1574834 wrote:If it were the lemonade stand scenario, then I agree with most everyone here. But I didn't take it that way. Seemed they were presenting it as on ongoing business for 2 years now. That is why I feel the way I do.
On the other hand, I am really all over the place on this issue. The news article actually forced the hand of the health department. Part of their job is rules enforcement, and raising a few thousand dollars is hardly a lemonade stand. If the mom is actually making the girl pay expenses for her business, how many thousands of cupcakes is she pedaling?
Then I think of all the money I made as a kid mowing lawns. There is no way I could be legally employed doing such work. But do you really think the Department of Labor is going to sic OSHA on me?