justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 30, 2014 4:50pm
Who else is going to protect us from young entrepreneurs?
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Madison-County-health-department-forces-11-year-ll-242419101.html
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Madison-County-health-department-forces-11-year-ll-242419101.html
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jan 30, 2014 5:16pm
She learned a good lesson at 11 years old, don't vote liberals into office, they will create BS regulations 
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 30, 2014 5:44pm
You guys have it all wrong. By shutting her down, those cupcake sales will go Costco, which pays taxes and employs people....I'll be damned, regulations really DO promote economic growth 
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 30, 2014 6:11pm
I posted this story to facebook and one of my best friends (big dem from wv) starts talking about how he is thankful for the department of health shutting down restaurants after the water spill down there. The parallels between that and this allude me, however.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 30, 2014 6:45pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vxEimC3HME
pencil necked paper pushers.....
yeah, it's about $200 for a license.....kid will have to sell a lot of cupcakes
These are the kind of jobs we are creating...we don't make anyhting except rules and regulations and we hire people to push papers around and document that the rules are available, posted, and being followed, so that when an inspector comes to makes sure you are in compliance ( inspection fee applicable) you don't have to pay any additional fines.
pencil necked paper pushers.....
yeah, it's about $200 for a license.....kid will have to sell a lot of cupcakes
These are the kind of jobs we are creating...we don't make anyhting except rules and regulations and we hire people to push papers around and document that the rules are available, posted, and being followed, so that when an inspector comes to makes sure you are in compliance ( inspection fee applicable) you don't have to pay any additional fines.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 30, 2014 6:49pm
"Under the table" Step one to start up entrepreneur
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jan 30, 2014 8:31pm
When you don't do common sense, you do government.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jan 31, 2014 6:49am
I think you mean black market, but it's the first thought that came to my mind, too.Belly35;1574503 wrote:"Under the table" Step one to start up entrepreneur
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 31, 2014 8:54am
If she had sold cupcakes a time or two, no problem. But she's been doing it for 2 years. And for money. I'm not sure why her age should make her except from following the rules if she really is running a "business".
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Jan 31, 2014 9:16am
This is how I feel as well.WebFire;1574660 wrote:If she had sold cupcakes a time or two, no problem. But she's been doing it for 2 years. And for money. I'm not sure why her age should make her except from following the rules if she really is running a "business".
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 31, 2014 9:43am
Because the rules are fucking ridiculous in the first place. It's nothing more that a money grab by the government. Unelected bureaucrats pushing a bunch of rules and regulations to finance their own jobs. I do not need "protection" from big government to save me from someone making food in their own house.WebFire;1574660 wrote:If she had sold cupcakes a time or two, no problem. But she's been doing it for 2 years. And for money. I'm not sure why her age should make her except from following the rules if she really is running a "business".
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 31, 2014 9:44am
But you're right, it's best to teach the kids early that we no longer live in a free country so they don't get any crazy ideas.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 31, 2014 9:50am
So you are in favor of deregulation of the food industry? That doesn't sound like a good idea.justincredible;1574676 wrote:Because the rules are fucking ridiculous in the first place. It's nothing more that a money grab by the government. Unelected bureaucrats pushing a bunch of rules and regulations to finance their own jobs. I do not need "protection" from big government to save me from someone making food in their own house.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 31, 2014 9:50am
A free country does not mean a free-for-all.justincredible;1574677 wrote:But you're right, it's best to teach the kids early that we no longer live in a free country so they don't get any crazy ideas.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Jan 31, 2014 9:58am
Yeah you're right lets just teach kids that they don't have to follow rules and regulations that a normal adult would.justincredible;1574677 wrote:But you're right, it's best to teach the kids early that we no longer live in a free country so they don't get any crazy ideas.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 31, 2014 9:58am
Agreed.WebFire;1574660 wrote:If she had sold cupcakes a time or two, no problem. But she's been doing it for 2 years. And for money. I'm not sure why her age should make her except from following the rules if she really is running a "business".
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 31, 2014 10:00am
lol. Because you have the ability to inspect where someone is making that food to ensure that it isnt going to kill you?justincredible;1574676 wrote:Because the rules are fucking ridiculous in the first place. It's nothing more that a money grab by the government. Unelected bureaucrats pushing a bunch of rules and regulations to finance their own jobs. I do not need "protection" from big government to save me from someone making food in their own house.
Sorry, this is one of the dumbest ones I've heard yet.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 31, 2014 10:02am
It's just someone's house, that automatically means it's safe to eat!
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 31, 2014 10:03am
I'm in favor of a 12 year old girl being able to operate a cupcake business from her home without government interference, absolutely.WebFire;1574679 wrote:So you are in favor of deregulation of the food industry? That doesn't sound like a good idea.
I don't think a government monopoly on "safety" is a great idea. I'd trust independent agencies for stuff like this a lot more than I trust government. Competing private agencies trying to get their "safe" sticker in the window of a restaurant sounds a lot better than one agency with no threat of competition going through the motions of approving kitchens.
I also believe in the freedoms of choice. I should be able to make the choice to buy cupcakes from a young kid without the govt first telling me it's okay. I would know the risks going in that she isn't "inspected."
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 31, 2014 10:05am
I don't recall making that argument. At all. Nice straw man.LJ;1574688 wrote:It's just someone's house, that automatically means it's safe to eat!
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 31, 2014 10:07am
So you want the same regulations, just to privitize inspections?justincredible;1574689 wrote:I'm in favor of a 12 year old girl being able to operate a cupcake business from her home without government interference, absolutely.
I don't think a government monopoly on "safety" is a great idea. I'd trust independent agencies for stuff like this a lot more than I trust government. Competing private agencies trying to get their "safe" sticker in the window of a restaurant sounds a lot better than one agency with no threat of competition going through the motions of approving kitchens.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 31, 2014 10:07am
So it's because of her age? You know how many parents would run businesses through their kids' names if they could get away from regulations and taxes. And why does a 12 year old know how to make cupcakes better than an adult?justincredible;1574689 wrote:I'm in favor of a 12 year old girl being able to operate a cupcake business from her home without government interference, absolutely.
Sure, they shouldn't be policing us to death or protecting us from ourselves on everything. But some things need some regulation. Food is one of them.I don't think a government monopoly on "safety" is a great idea. I'd trust independent agencies for stuff like this a lot more than I trust government. Competing private agencies trying to get their "safe" sticker in the window of a restaurant sounds a lot better than one agency with no threat of competition going through the motions of approving kitchens.
There is a difference between freedoms and foolishness.I also believe in the freedoms of choice. I should be able to make the choice to buy cupcakes from a young kid without the govt first telling me it's okay. I would know the risks going in that she isn't "inspected."
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 31, 2014 10:07am
ahemjustincredible;1574691 wrote:I don't recall making that argument. At all. Nice straw man.
I do not need "protection" from big government to save me from someone making food in their own house.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Jan 31, 2014 10:09am
Lets look at it from another Viewopint. The girl could not do this work in a place of business. The ovens are too hot for a minor to work with. A mixer is defined as a "power tool" under labor laws.justincredible;1574689 wrote: I don't think a government monopoly on "safety" is a great idea.
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The mom has however taught her kid a lesson. it is : Don't get caught by the man.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 31, 2014 10:12am
No “Under the table”.. Keep a low profile, sell cash only, build the business slowly, increase customer base, move into the market place with the confidence and knowledge of what is to be expected and with a history of a proven product. Know your market, the potential, the cost, equipment required, health rules.ernest_t_bass;1574625 wrote:I think you mean black market, but it's the first thought that came to my mind, too.
This little girl and her family took a business and thought it was cute ... letting the media in to have a feel good moment and with out knowledge of Home Grown Business regulations.
She can still make cup cakes at home but she now has to make sure of the rules and requirement of the health department. An unexpected set back because business is not cute and knowledge of business practice is vital.
If this little girl and her family are smart they can turn this situation into a positive and profitable business adventure.