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I Wear Pants
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Jan 27, 2014 10:11am
Why is it an issue? No one would have a issue if a performer had only straight marriages as part of a song. Some people might think it was stupid (and that's still a valid opinion now) but it's not like you'd see comments like yours and Webfire's.bases_loaded;1572701 wrote:You haven't been paying attention. Small dose, then medium dose, then just force it down your throat....if you don't believe in it, its your fault for not believing what they believe. If you play nice, well give you tons of awards(Macklemore).
I mean really why is it an issue? I don't think they had to do that and it's not like it's advancing anything socially but some people got to get married at the Grammy's and probably had a great time.
So everytime gay people are on television it's part of an agenda? Is it part of an agenda everytime there's a straight marriage on tv?WebFire;1572713 wrote:Has nothing to do with being in favor of or against gay marriage. It's the purposeful push of an agenda to an audience that is not there for that reason.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 27, 2014 10:12am
They would have had serious issue if someone spoke out against gay marriage of lifestyle.I Wear Pants;1572715 wrote:Why is it an issue? No one would have a issue if a performer had only straight marriages as part of a song. Some people might think it was stupid (and that's still a valid opinion now) but it's not like you'd see comments like yours and Webfire's.
I mean really why is it an issue? I don't think they had to do that and it's not like it's advancing anything socially but some people got to get married at the Grammy's and probably had a great time.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Jan 27, 2014 10:12am
The audience appeared to love it.WebFire;1572713 wrote:Has nothing to do with being in favor of or against gay marriage. It's the purposeful push of an agenda to an audience that is not there for that reason.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 27, 2014 10:12am
WebFire;1572713 wrote:Has nothing to do with being in favor of or against gay marriage. It's the purposeful push of an agenda to an audience that is not there for that reason.
This. The message..."If this offends you, you're wrong. Go ahead and speak out against it, so we can alienate your opinion and beliefs..because fuck your beliefs if they don't align with ours."
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 27, 2014 10:12am
Watched the Pro Bowl, then a few minutes of the local news and then flipped and saw that song with them marrying all those people.WebFire;1572698 wrote:Didn't like the weddings. Nothing more than a political move by the LGBT. Thought it was lame for a network to do this in primetime.
Another fucking way the fucking liberal media slamming gayness into our faces.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Jan 27, 2014 10:13am
There is another, more important (at least to me), reason. As I92 pointed out earlier in the thread, Maclemore's incessant talk rap/preaching gets tiresome quickly and does not lend well to great harmony or flow. Simply, I do not enjoy his "sound."
There are rappers I enjoy who, for the most part, do not rap solely about money, drugs and women. Childish Gambino and Atmosphere come to mind. Also, while they're not rappers in the traditional sense, I'd much rather listen to a group like Twenty One Pilots over Maclemore as they actually have a pleasing sound and rhythm to their music.
There are rappers I enjoy who, for the most part, do not rap solely about money, drugs and women. Childish Gambino and Atmosphere come to mind. Also, while they're not rappers in the traditional sense, I'd much rather listen to a group like Twenty One Pilots over Maclemore as they actually have a pleasing sound and rhythm to their music.
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WebFire
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Jan 27, 2014 10:15am
It will be interesting to see if he is even mentioned at next year's Grammy's.reclegend22;1572721 wrote:There is another, more important (at least to me), reason. As I92 pointed out earlier in the thread, Maclemore's incessant talk rap/preaching gets tiresome quickly and does not lend well to great harmony or flow. Simply, I do not enjoy his "sound."
There are rappers I enjoy who, for the most part, do not rap solely about money, drugs and women. Childish Gambino and Atmosphere come to mind. Also, while they're not rappers in the traditional sense, I'd much rather listen to a group like Twenty One Pilots over Maclemore as they actually have a pleasing sound and rhythm to their music.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 27, 2014 10:15am
So would Eminems album be next year's Grammys?
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Jan 27, 2014 10:15am
And what about the message from you, Webfire, thavoice, etc.? It sounds like you're saying, "fuck gay people, their rights, their beliefs and their supporters beliefs because they don't align with ours."bases_loaded;1572719 wrote:This. The message..."If this offends you, you're wrong. Go ahead and speak out against it, so we can alienate your opinion and beliefs..because fuck your beliefs if they don't align with ours."
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Jan 27, 2014 10:16am
The audience loved it because the audience was the Hollywood elite.Fab4Runner;1572718 wrote:The audience appeared to love it.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 27, 2014 10:16am
So would you be ok with an anti-gay group doing something at next year's Grammy's?Fab4Runner;1572724 wrote:And what about the message from you, Webfire, thavoice, etc.? It sounds like you're saying, "fuck gay people, their rights, their beliefs and their supporters beliefs because they don't align with ours."
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 27, 2014 10:18am
They have the same rights as you or i. A gay man can marry a woman. A gay woman can marry a man. That is what marriage is, one man paired with one woman.Fab4Runner;1572724 wrote:And what about the message from you, Webfire, thavoice, etc.? It sounds like you're saying, "fuck gay people, their rights, their beliefs and their supporters beliefs because they don't align with ours."
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 27, 2014 10:19am
I am not against anything of the such. But be gay and be happy on your own time. I don't need the agenda pushed on me all the time.Fab4Runner;1572724 wrote:And what about the message from you, Webfire, thavoice, etc.? It sounds like you're saying, "fuck gay people, their rights, their beliefs and their supporters beliefs because they don't align with ours."
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 27, 2014 10:20am
My message would be...heres the song we are nominated for, were going to play it for you with some sweet ass pyrotechnics, lasers...Fab4Runner;1572724 wrote:And what about the message from you, Webfire, thavoice, etc.? It sounds like you're saying, "fuck gay people, their rights, their beliefs and their supporters beliefs because they don't align with ours."
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Jan 27, 2014 10:20am
He said it was pushed on an audience that was not there for that reason. I simply said that the audience appeared to enjoy it.reclegend22;1572725 wrote:The audience loved it because the audience was the Hollywood elite.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 27, 2014 10:21am
The audience he was talking about was the national one watching on TV
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Jan 27, 2014 10:23am
WebFire;1572728 wrote:So would you be ok with an anti-gay group doing something at next year's Grammy's?
I would not. But if it was on the TV, I would simply turn the channel. Everyone whining about the performance and marriages could have done the same.
As I said, I have no real opinion on gay marriage even though my sister is gay. That said, her (or any gay person) getting married would effect me in NO way whatsoever, so I have no problem with it.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 27, 2014 10:23am
Correct. Obviously the live audience would be a big gay fest.bases_loaded;1572736 wrote:The audience he was talking about was the national one watching on TV
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Jan 27, 2014 10:23am
He definitely won't be remembered as one of the greats a decade from now. We'll just put it that way.WebFire;1572722 wrote:It will be interesting to see if he is even mentioned at next year's Grammy's.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Jan 27, 2014 10:23am
It's very easy to turn the channel.bases_loaded;1572736 wrote:The audience he was talking about was the national one watching on TV
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Jan 27, 2014 10:25am
Rap already has a lame ass white rapper: Drakewildcats20;1572712 wrote:There are 2 reasons the rap community, so to speak, hates on Maclemore: he's white and he doesn't rap about money, drugs and women.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 27, 2014 10:27am
Shouldn't have to.Fab4Runner;1572742 wrote:It's very easy to turn the channel.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 27, 2014 10:29am
How long did it take them to go from two girls kissing to having gay weddings?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 27, 2014 10:29am
Thats not the same at all.WebFire;1572728 wrote:So would you be ok with an anti-gay group doing something at next year's Grammy's?
Pushing gayness and is NOT pushing anti-straightness.
Nobody who is gay gives 2 fucks about what anyone does with their life. They dont give 2 fucks if you are straight and are content in your marriage to the opposite sex. All they care about is having the ability to do the same things, ie, marriage.
Now, on the flip side, people who are anti-gay clearly do care and literally spend countless hours of their lives trying to keep gay people unhappy. It makes no sense. If we didnt have anti-gay, we wouldnt have anything to push down our throats.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 27, 2014 10:32am
never fucking mind