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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Oct 26, 2014 5:11pm
Please go away.Tiernan;1667192 wrote:Is nobody paying attention!?! Ohio State deserves to be dropped...their DBs are horrible. SEC should have 2 and possibly 3 spots come Tuesday.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Oct 26, 2014 5:47pm
Why? Because the truth hurts?
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Oct 26, 2014 5:52pm
Top 25 teams with 1 loss and who they lost to...
Best win by each of those teams...
| 3 | Alabama | 7-1 | Lost to | #7 | Ole Miss 7-1 |
| 4 | Auburn | 6-1 | Lost to | #1 | Mississippi St 7-0 |
| 5 | Oregon | 7-1 | Lost to | #14 | Arizona 6-1 |
| 6 | Notre Dame | 6-1 | Lost to | #2 | Florida St 7-0 |
| 7 | Ole Miss | 7-1 | Lost to | #16 | LSU 7-2 |
| 8 | Michigan State | 7-1 | Lost to | #5 | Oregon 7-1 |
| 9 | Georgia | 6-1 | Lost to | NR | South Carolina, 4-4 |
| 10 | TCU | 6-1 | Lost to | #12 | Baylor 6-1 |
| 11 | Kansas State | 6-1 | Lost to | #4 | Auburn 6-1 |
| 12 | Baylor | 6-1 | Lost to | #20 | West Virginia 6-2 |
| 13 | Ohio State | 6-1 | Lost to | NR | Virginia Tech 4-4 |
| 14 | Arizona | 6-1 | Lost to | NR | USC 5-3 |
| 15 | Arizona State | 6-1 | Lost to | #25 | UCLA 6-2 |
| 17 | Nebraska | 7-1 | Lost to | #8 | Michigan St. 7-1 |
| 18 | Utah | 6-1 | Lost to | NR | Wash. St. 2-6 |
| 21 | East Carolina | 6-1 | Lost to | NR | South Carolina, 4-4 |
| 24 | Duke | 6-1 | Lost to | NR | Miami, FL 5-3 |
| 3 | Alabama | W.Virginia 6-2 | |
| 4 | Auburn | Kan.St. 6-1 | |
| 5 | Oregon | Mich St. 7-1 | |
| 6 | Notre Dame | Stanford 5-3 | |
| 7 | Ole Miss | Alabama 7-1 | |
| 8 | Mich. State | Nebraska 7-1 | |
| 9 | Georgia | Clemson 6-2 | |
| 10 | TCU | Oklahoma 5-2 | |
| 11 | Kansas State | Oklahoma 5-2 | |
| 12 | Baylor | TCU 6-1 | |
| 13 | Ohio State | Rutgers 5-3 | |
| 14 | Arizona | Oregon 7-1 | |
| 15 | Arizona State | USC 5-3 | |
| 17 | Nebraska | Miami, FL 5-3 | |
| 18 | Utah | UCLA 6-2 | |
| 21 | East Carolina | VA Tech 4-4 | |
| 24 | Duke | Georgia Tech 6-2 | |
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Oct 26, 2014 6:04pm
Your post proves that the polls are a joke. Georgia? Lol.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Oct 26, 2014 6:39pm
Georgia's season in the AP Poll...
Pre-season ranked #12
W1 #12 Georgia beat #16 Clemson 45-21
W2 #6 Georgia OFF
W3 #6 Georgia LOST to #24 South Carolina 38-35
W4 #13 Georgia beat Troy 66-0(8th ranked LSU lost, Michigan St. beats EMU and goes from 11 to 9, Ole Miss stays at 10, UCLA from 12 to 11, Georgia 13 to 12)
W5 #12 Georgia beat Tennessee 35-32 (leapfrogged by Miss St who beat #6 Texas A&M)
W6 #13 Georgia beat Vanderbilt 44-17
W7 #13 Georgia beat #23 Missouri 34-0 (both #9 TCU and #10 Arizona lost, jumped #11 Oklahoma who beat Texas)
W8 #10 Georgia beat Arkansas 45-32 (#5 Baylor lost)
W9 #9 Georgia was OFF
W10 Georgia is again ranked 9th
Pre-season ranked #12
W1 #12 Georgia beat #16 Clemson 45-21
W2 #6 Georgia OFF
W3 #6 Georgia LOST to #24 South Carolina 38-35
W4 #13 Georgia beat Troy 66-0(8th ranked LSU lost, Michigan St. beats EMU and goes from 11 to 9, Ole Miss stays at 10, UCLA from 12 to 11, Georgia 13 to 12)
W5 #12 Georgia beat Tennessee 35-32 (leapfrogged by Miss St who beat #6 Texas A&M)
W6 #13 Georgia beat Vanderbilt 44-17
W7 #13 Georgia beat #23 Missouri 34-0 (both #9 TCU and #10 Arizona lost, jumped #11 Oklahoma who beat Texas)
W8 #10 Georgia beat Arkansas 45-32 (#5 Baylor lost)
W9 #9 Georgia was OFF
W10 Georgia is again ranked 9th
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Oct 26, 2014 7:40pm
Actually, after looking at best win and best loss, Georgia is the one that is vastly overranked. Ohio State is about where they should be. Every 1-loss team has a better win than they do and they have the worst loss.
Why aren't people complaining that Arizona and Arizona State aren't higher than OSU? Simple. OSU is a bigger name and started HIGHER. That's how the polls work.
We would eliminate 90% of the bias if they didn't rank teams until a few games into the season. Preseason rankings are usually based on A) last year, B) reputation and C) hype of certain big players coming in or returning. Unlike pro sports, there is always a huge "unknown" when talking about college sports because of how much changes from year to year.
Why aren't people complaining that Arizona and Arizona State aren't higher than OSU? Simple. OSU is a bigger name and started HIGHER. That's how the polls work.
We would eliminate 90% of the bias if they didn't rank teams until a few games into the season. Preseason rankings are usually based on A) last year, B) reputation and C) hype of certain big players coming in or returning. Unlike pro sports, there is always a huge "unknown" when talking about college sports because of how much changes from year to year.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Oct 26, 2014 8:10pm
They don't work, which is why they have lost all power.Azubuike24;1667168 wrote:Oregon over Arizona is a joke.
TCU over Baylor is a joke.
Do you not understand how the polls work?
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Oct 26, 2014 8:13pm
I agree with you, it's not a great system. It's just stupid to complain about it because it's impossible to always consider everything.superman;1667375 wrote:They don't work, which is why they have lost all power.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Oct 26, 2014 8:44pm
I guess we won't know if this is actually the case until we see what the selection committee releases. True, the polls don't play direct part in determining who makes it into the playoffs. But they might have a pretty big influence.superman;1667375 wrote:They don't work, which is why they have lost all power.
Look at what we're doing here...people are comparing better wins and losses. There's a good chance that the selection committee will do the same. So while the polls don't determine the two best, they definitely help to boost resumes of those looking to get in. Which is why the bias seen in the polls sucks. It makes the SEC wins/losses look better than what they actually might be and makes the other conference's wins/losses look worse than what they actually might be.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Oct 26, 2014 9:24pm
Ohio State could beat Sparty by 40 and they still ain't getting in. The Canes spanking of VT took care of that. Best we can hope for this season is a nice trip to Pasadena and set the bar for a great 2015.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Oct 26, 2014 9:27pm
They should consider the most basic thing. Who won the head to head match up.Azubuike24;1667377 wrote:I agree with you, it's not a great system. It's just stupid to complain about it because it's impossible to always consider everything.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Oct 26, 2014 9:27pm
If they are going to Pasadena then they are in the playoff.Tiernan;1667398 wrote:Ohio State could beat Sparty by 40 and they still ain't getting in. The Canes spanking of VT took care of that. Best we can hope for this season is a nice trip to Pasadena and set the bar for a great 2015.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Oct 26, 2014 9:34pm
While true, the polls would be all over the place every week. You end up with 3 or 4 teams who all lost to one but beat the other, and with different combos. It's easy to do when you haven't played a full schedule, but 9 weeks in it's difficult to keep that standard.superman;1667401 wrote:They should consider the most basic thing. Who won the head to head match up.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Oct 26, 2014 10:03pm
Forgot Rose & Sugar are semi-final sites...where is the B1G conf champ going if they don't make the playoff?wildcats20;1667402 wrote:If they are going to Pasadena then they are in the playoff.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Oct 26, 2014 10:06pm
I don't believe there are any tie ins now.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Oct 27, 2014 12:13am
I remember 4th and 1 his senior year. He was somehow wide open and dropped an easy first down.WebFire;1666776 wrote:Braylon Edwards is a fucking asshole. He was the king of the dropsies. And he wasn't even the best player to wear #1.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Oct 27, 2014 5:31am
Fiesta BowlTiernan;1667428 wrote:Forgot Rose & Sugar are semi-final sites...where is the B1G conf champ going if they don't make the playoff?
The way things are looking at the moment Ohio State is destined for the Citrus Bowl. Possibly the Fiesta Bowl if they knock off Michigan State and take the B1G championship.
Barring a miracle, the Buckeyes will not make a playoff slot even if they win out. That VT loss is looming large.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Oct 29, 2014 11:22am
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/the-worldwide-cheerleader-espn-and-the-college-football-playoff-20141028
LOLOLOLIt can be argued that Texas A&M derived its lofty ranking through the first month of the season on the hype generated by the SEC Network's inaugural game broadcast, a 52-28 trouncing of a South Carolina team which, barely halfway through the season, already has four losses. The win immediately propelled the No. 21 Aggies to ninth in the Associated Press poll (South Carolina's previous ranking), and they eventually vaulted all the way to No. 6 on the strength of wins over Lamar, Rice, SMU and Arkansas before dropping their next three games by a combined 91 points.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Oct 29, 2014 2:46pm
Exaclty, anyone touting no SEC bias just needs to be referenced to that game and the results of other SEC teams beating those two and getting credit for great wins.ernest_t_bass;1668492 wrote:http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/the-worldwide-cheerleader-espn-and-the-college-football-playoff-20141028
LOLOLOL
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Oct 29, 2014 2:56pm
Nobody thinks A&M is a good win.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Oct 29, 2014 3:12pm
You're right. But their ranking at the time they were beat goes into the equation of current rankings. No one would talk about the win now, but if a no-name beat a #6 A&M, that no-name (especially if from the SEC) would now receive a high ranking. They will keep that high ranking with every win. If asked why they deserve the high ranking, A&M will not be mentioned... it will just be because they are so damn good!!! (re: SEC!!!)Rotinaj;1668568 wrote:Nobody thinks A&M is a good win.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 29, 2014 3:54pm
Another way to look at it is that the other conferences aren't given a chance to play as many ranked teams as the SEC. Imagine if they B1G had 6 teams in the top 15 when the season started(based on nothing of course like the SEC); analysts would be talking about how tough the B1G is(again based on nothing). It's really a broken system.ernest_t_bass;1668574 wrote:You're right. But their ranking at the time they were beat goes into the equation of current rankings. No one would talk about the win now, but if a no-name beat a #6 A&M, that no-name (especially if from the SEC) would now receive a high ranking. They will keep that high ranking with every win. If asked why they deserve the high ranking, A&M will not be mentioned... it will just be because they are so damn good!!! (re: SEC!!!)
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Oct 29, 2014 8:51pm
They do. If you listen to the analysts talk, they will say that Miss. State went in and knocked off #8 LSU and then followed that up by beating #6 Texas A&M. Even though both of those teams are not at that ranking now, the analysts hype that up as if those are great wins.Rotinaj;1668568 wrote:Nobody thinks A&M is a good win.
Meanwhile, in the same breath they will say that Notre Dame has no quality wins. They won't say that ND beat #14 Stanford. They say that Stanford is 5-3 and ignore the fact that Stanford's losses were all pretty close losses to USC, ND, and Arizona State (well...that one wasn't as close).
So ESPN and the media controls the narrative. And they are able to hype up some wins and downplay others.
And like sleeper said, the preseason rankings are pretty much bullshit anyways.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Oct 29, 2014 10:20pm
Well probably because Stanford only loses when they don't play Stanford football.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Oct 30, 2014 7:15am
I have a feeling Louisville beats Florida State tonight 27-24.