Dr Winston O'Boogie;1570196 wrote:My opinion is that the death penalty fails in its two purposes: deterrent and punishment. That murders till happen despite active executions is proof of the first failure. As for the second, the horror of murder is that it can never be properly punished. That is the true crime - society or the victim can never be made whole. It's what makes it this worst type of crime/sin.

As a society, we chose to attempt these two goals over and over again. We acknowledge the brutality of killing people, so we don't allow violent and bloody execution methods. We try for a humane approach. But this shows the fallacy of the equation - you can't be a little bit humane when taking a life. It is the thing that it is no matter how you get there.

I desire a society that does not lower itself to doing the act a criminal has done. I accept that murder is horrible because it can never be made up for. I also believe that a just culture does not allow emotions and victims' desires to make precedent. If I ever lost a loved one to murder, I'd want vengeance - and maybe I'd take it myself. But I don't believe society should do it on my behalf.

ccrunner609;1570199 wrote:Don't rape and murder someone and you wont get executed.

ccrunner609;1570201 wrote:the only problem with using the death penalty is the length of time it takes. It would work real well if you were taken out back and put down right after the trial.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1570196 wrote:My opinion is that the death penalty fails in its two purposes: deterrent and punishment. That murders still happen despite active executions is proof of the first failure. As for the second, the horror of murder is that it can never be properly punished. It's what makes it this worst type of crime/sin.

We acknowledge the brutality of killing people, so we don't allow violent and bloody execution methods. But this shows the flaw in it all - you can't be a little bit humane when taking a life.

I desire a society that does not lower itself to doing this I accept that murder is horrible because it can never be made up for. I also believe that a just culture does not allow emotions and victims' desires to make precedent. If I ever lost a loved one to murder, I'd want vengeance - and maybe I'd take it myself. But I don't believe society should do it on my behalf.

Belly35;1570186 wrote:Murder got a fair trial and was convicted...

Belly option agenda ... Murder here is your option:
1. Injection ...
2. Same method that you killed the victim .. you will die and left to suffer and bleed out
3. Citizen firing squad where lottery ticket sold to benfit the victims family

Murder you make the call ... think about you have 24 hours hope this helps


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/20/shortage-lethal-drugs-ugly-ohio-execution-re-ignites-death-penalty-debate/

WebFire;1570210 wrote:There is a 3rd and 4th purpose that are just as important though.

3. Rid the world of these people.
4. Spare the expense of jailing them for life.

Death penalty succeeds in these purposes.

ccrunner609;1570207 wrote:with todays current science behind verdicts........the number of actually innocent people on death row is minimal.

WebFire;1570210 wrote:There is a 3rd and 4th purpose that are just as important though.

3. Rid the world of these people.
4. Spare the expense of jailing them for life.

Death penalty succeeds in these purposes.

ccrunner609;1570207 wrote:with todays current science behind verdicts........the number of actually innocent people on death row is minimal.

ccrunner609;1570201 wrote:the only problem with using the death penalty is the length of time it takes. It would work real well if you were taken out back and put down right after the trial.

queencitybuckeye;1570218 wrote:You couldn't be more wrong on #4. The costs aren't remotely comparable.

queencitybuckeye;1570218 wrote:You couldn't be more wrong on #4. The costs aren't remotely comparable.

WebFire;1570228 wrote:I just don't know how that could be the case. Can you provide some numbers?

justincredible;1570222 wrote:Any more than zero is absolutely unacceptable.

queencitybuckeye;1570232 wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/#.Ut6yDPso69I

WebFire;1570234 wrote:Just a quick Google search nets arguments for both sides of this. So I would say you couldn't be more wrong about me not being more wrong.

queencitybuckeye;1570235 wrote:Actually read the material, and get back to me.

queencitybuckeye;1570235 wrote:Actually read the material, and get back to me.

WebFire;1570239 wrote:And like I said, if that is true, the process needs fixed. Not the punishment.