salto
Posts: 2,611
Mar 5, 2014 5:36am
Theirs hardly any economic options for USA in the first place. It's just Obama barking.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1587044 wrote: there aren't other non-economic options standing out.
Ukraine is Europe's Iowa. It's just farm land.
China has sided with Russia. Ukraine is not worth any sort of involvement.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 5, 2014 9:07am
Tiernan;1587042 wrote:Not my job Dr Boogers...the community leader gets paid the big bucks to make those decisions and so far he's done zilch.
obama has thought Putin to be a partner, not an adversary. Most kids in third grade can tell the bad boys from the good ones.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Mar 5, 2014 9:15am
I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country.QuakerOats;1587119 wrote:obama has thought Putin to be a partner, not an adversary. Most kids in third grade can tell the bad boys from the good ones.
- George W. Bush, joint press conference (16 June 2001).
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MontyBrunswick
Mar 5, 2014 9:29am
Oh good, the other troll is here to battle Tiernan for the OC troll world championship belt.isadore;1587122 wrote:(pointless quote)
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Mar 5, 2014 9:34am
Bush and Putin understood each other, because each knew what the other was capable of. Putin sees Obama as weak. What Bush said about Putin being trustable was only meant to flatter him. He didn't believe him. He never gave Putin any major unilateral concession. When he sought Putin's approval of something in the UN Security Council and Putin vetoed it (Iraq), Bush ignored the veto and acted anyway. Obama instead gave a concession to Putin (canceling the missile defense) and believes he can do nothing unless the UN Security Council blesses it. Obama told Putin that after the election, he would be softer.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Mar 5, 2014 9:49am
really?
"After all, President Bush didn't roll back the Russian occupation of South Ossetia and Abkhazia after Vladimir Putin's battering of Georgia in August 2008. Bush didn't lead an alliance of the willing to isolate Russia, undermine its economy, mine the Black Sea, provide defense guarantees and rush American military supplies to Tblisi. Instead, Dubya simply denounced Moscow's reaction using much the same language President Obama is deploying now."
his Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had summed up Bush's post-Iraq invasion foreign policy by declaring, "Punish France, ignore Germany, forgive Russia." Worse still, as the New York Times reminded readers on August 14, 2008, Presidents Bush and Putin had recently concluded high-level talks in--wait for it--Sochi. "
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/03/1281857/-Media-GOP-forget-Bush-s-feeble-response-to-Russia-Georgia-conflict#
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"After all, President Bush didn't roll back the Russian occupation of South Ossetia and Abkhazia after Vladimir Putin's battering of Georgia in August 2008. Bush didn't lead an alliance of the willing to isolate Russia, undermine its economy, mine the Black Sea, provide defense guarantees and rush American military supplies to Tblisi. Instead, Dubya simply denounced Moscow's reaction using much the same language President Obama is deploying now."
his Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had summed up Bush's post-Iraq invasion foreign policy by declaring, "Punish France, ignore Germany, forgive Russia." Worse still, as the New York Times reminded readers on August 14, 2008, Presidents Bush and Putin had recently concluded high-level talks in--wait for it--Sochi. "
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/03/1281857/-Media-GOP-forget-Bush-s-feeble-response-to-Russia-Georgia-conflict#
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 5, 2014 10:23am
Another thread ruined.
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MontyBrunswick
Mar 5, 2014 10:35am
Putin more like poopin, lol
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Mar 5, 2014 10:53am
This is why we can't have nice things.WebFire;1587146 wrote:Another thread ruined.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Mar 5, 2014 11:22am
No one cares.QuakerOats;1587119 wrote:obama has thought Putin to be a partner, not an adversary. Most kids in third grade can tell the bad boys from the good ones.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 5, 2014 12:03pm
This problem can be the solved (trolls) by simply blocking them. Tiernan's already blocked, and I just blocked Isadore, because this is a good thread.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Mar 5, 2014 12:14pm
You calling Putin a troll?lhslep134;1587175 wrote:This problem can be the solved (trolls) by simply blocking them. Tiernan's already blocked, and I just blocked Isadore, because this is a good thread.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Mar 5, 2014 12:20pm
What would you have Obama do right now?TedSheckler;1587128 wrote:Bush and Putin understood each other, because each knew what the other was capable of. Putin sees Obama as weak. What Bush said about Putin being trustable was only meant to flatter him. He didn't believe him. He never gave Putin any major unilateral concession. When he sought Putin's approval of something in the UN Security Council and Putin vetoed it (Iraq), Bush ignored the veto and acted anyway. Obama instead gave a concession to Putin (canceling the missile defense) and believes he can do nothing unless the UN Security Council blesses it. Obama told Putin that after the election, he would be softer.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Mar 5, 2014 12:22pm
Does any one care about George Bush and what he did and didn't do and what he said 13 years ago about Russia?...LOL
Barry is on his own here, he's had 5 years to cultivate a relationship with Russia....and it's on display.
Isadore linked...
Barry is on his own here, he's had 5 years to cultivate a relationship with Russia....and it's on display.
Isadore linked...
Izzy, I told you before on another thread to get your head out of the Daily Kos,(though you denied it)... and I meant it.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Mar 5, 2014 2:03pm
Anyone believe that the forces in Crimera are not russian troops but instead are self defense troops as Putin is claiming?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 5, 2014 2:21pm
It's remarkable people still use bush as a defense mechanism.HitsRus;1587183 wrote:Does any one care about George Bush and what he did and didn't do and what he said 13 years ago about Russia?...LOL
Barry is on his own here, he's had 5 years to cultivate a relationship with Russia....and it's on display.
Isadore linked...
Izzy, I told you before on another thread to get your head out of the Daily Kos,(though you denied it)... and I meant it.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Mar 5, 2014 3:56pm
Apologize to Sarah Palin and Mittens. After that, IDGAF. : thumbup:I Wear Pants;1587181 wrote:What would you have Obama do right now?
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Mar 5, 2014 4:20pm
Apologize to Palin for what? She made that comment in the context of Russia's invasion of Georgia. Did she want the US to send troops and begin a war with Russia in that situation? What did she want Obama to do differently than condemn Russia's actions much like McCain did? And again people calling Obama weak for calling for sanctions, etc. Do you want to send troops to Ukraine? If not, what is the alternative action that isn't "weak" like sanctions?fish82;1587316 wrote:Apologize to Sarah Palin and Mittens. After that, IDGAF. : thumbup:
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Mar 5, 2014 5:23pm
sigh...I don't know what you do because policies that have been employed and actions that have occurred have now come home to roost. Unilateral concessions, deferring to Europe in the Libya revolution, wishwashyness towards Egypt, drawing 'redlines' and allowing them to be crossed without serious action, impotence in Syria, flunking crisis management in Benghazi.....nature abhors a vaccuum, and the power vaccuum left by the U.S.'s lack of leadership and committmnent has and will continue to result in other players exerting their muscle both regionally and worldwide.What would you have Obama do right now?
What's he to do NOW?.....Try to figure out a decent response when the 'self defense' troops appear/ "are asked into " in the rest of SE Ukraine.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Mar 5, 2014 6:23pm
So what? She called Ukraine, and got beat over the head for it...same with Mittens, and Obie went all Glib Cool Foreign Policy Expert on him. Now, they both look like Henry Kissinger, and Obie steps on his own dick for the 40th time.I Wear Pants;1587321 wrote:Apologize to Palin for what? She made that comment in the context of Russia's invasion of Georgia.
You'd have to ask her that.I Wear Pants;1587321 wrote:Did she want the US to send troops and begin a war with Russia in that situation? What did she want Obama to do differently than condemn Russia's actions much like McCain did?
I guess you missed the part where I said IDGAF.I Wear Pants;1587321 wrote:And again people calling Obama weak for calling for sanctions, etc. Do you want to send troops to Ukraine? If not, what is the alternative action that isn't "weak" like sanctions?
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Mar 5, 2014 6:25pm
Hmm.
You know what would make this site amazing......?
A politics forum
Oh Wait.
You know what would make this site amazing......?
A politics forum
Oh Wait.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Mar 5, 2014 7:00pm
Gosh a ruddies based on this statement from the haters of Barack Hussein ObamaHitsRus;1587183 wrote:Does any one care about George Bush and what he did and didn't do and what he said 13 years ago about Russia?...LOL
Barry is on his own here, he's had 5 years to cultivate a relationship with Russia....and it's on display.
Isadore linked...
Izzy, I told you before on another thread to get your head out of the Daily Kos,(though you denied it)... and I meant it.
Just naturally leads toQuakerOats wrote: obama has thought Putin to be a partner, not an adversary. Most kids in third grade can tell the bad boys from the good ones.
Andisadore wrote: looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country.
George W. Bush, joint press conference (16 June 2001).
　isadore wrote:his Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had summed up Bush's post-Iraq invasion foreign policy by declaring, "Punish France, ignore Germany, forgive Russia."
Which is a little too much for the anti-Obama hypocrites and condi sycophants.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 5, 2014 7:24pm
Who unblocked isadore?lhslep134;1587175 wrote:This problem can be the solved (trolls) by simply blocking them. Tiernan's already blocked, and I just blocked Isadore, because this is a good thread.
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Mar 5, 2014 7:26pm
The same thing he should have been doing since 1-20-2009.I Wear Pants;1587181 wrote:What would you have Obama do right now?
Go fornicate himself.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 5, 2014 7:44pm
obama is a Nobel Peace Prize recipient; all is right with the world.
High time for a two week vacation in Hawaii.
High time for a two week vacation in Hawaii.