sleeper;1568338 wrote:It's a small problem at best that's being blown up by a corrupt government for MONEY. Are you really that dense?

Absolutely.

justincredible;1568342 wrote:Absolutely.

You've made a thread that interests isadore. Be careful.

The Dallas Safari Club says the Namibian government will closely monitor the winning bidder's hunting expedition. The club also insists that by allowing a handful of predetermined rhinos to be killed, it's actually protecting younger, stronger rhinos.

I'm going to need a little more evidence than the Namibian government telling me what is ecologically responsible

The black rhino is named Obama.

Bad ass...

justincredible;1568354 wrote:

Damnit. You beat me by 30 seconds!

Dumbass...

For real though, it's fucked up how they kill the rhinos. They more or less tranquilize them so they're immobilized and then cut off the horn while they're awake. They feel everything, and then eventually die from their wounds.

It'd be hard to turn down a good paying job hunting poachers. They're real pieces of shit.

dlazz;1568397 wrote:For real though, it's fucked up how they kill the rhinos. They more or less tranquilize them so they're immobilized and then cut off the horn while they're awake. They feel everything, and then eventually die from their wounds.

It'd be hard to turn down a good paying job hunting poachers. They're real pieces of shit.

No argument there.

When a person is a negative asset to the world should we have auctions to allow others to kill them.

Law abiding citizens and those who buy hunting licenses help support animals and their environments than anyone else in the world.

The fees and dues that hunters/fishers pay help aid the conservation of animals. It may seem strange to people that hunting and fishing can help save, but that's how populations are kept down and more animals can be saved. The auction that raised $350,000 can help aid reproduction or research in helping save black rhinos. "Donating" the rhino to a zoo doesn't help raise money.

This is the exact reason why there are bag limits and restrictions placed on hunting and fishing. Poaching also does nothing to help conservation because they just go slaughter anything they want without any restrictions or fees helping in conservation.

I have zero issues with this auction. It's an amazing experience. The winning bidder has amazing hunting photos.

OSH;1568502 wrote:Law abiding citizens and those who buy hunting licenses help support animals and their environments than anyone else in the world.

The fees and dues that hunters/fishers pay help aid the conservation of animals. It may seem strange to people that hunting and fishing can help save, but that's how populations are kept down and more animals can be saved. The auction that raised $350,000 can help aid reproduction or research in helping save black rhinos. "Donating" the rhino to a zoo doesn't help raise money.

This is the exact reason why there are bag limits and restrictions placed on hunting and fishing. Poaching also does nothing to help conservation because they just go slaughter anything they want without any restrictions or fees helping in conservation.

I have zero issues with this auction. It's an amazing experience. The winning bidder has amazing hunting photos.

I'm assuming you're excluding ocean fishing from your "can help save" bit because we have and are overfishing the hell out of the ocean.

OSH;1568502 wrote:Law abiding citizens and those who buy hunting licenses help support animals and their environments than anyone else in the world.

The fees and dues that hunters/fishers pay help aid the conservation of animals. It may seem strange to people that hunting and fishing can help save, but that's how populations are kept down and more animals can be saved. The auction that raised $350,000 can help aid reproduction or research in helping save black rhinos. "Donating" the rhino to a zoo doesn't help raise money.

This is the exact reason why there are bag limits and restrictions placed on hunting and fishing. Poaching also does nothing to help conservation because they just go slaughter anything they want without any restrictions or fees helping in conservation.

I have zero issues with this auction. It's an amazing experience. The winning bidder has amazing hunting photos.

Hunting is needed for population control because we've gotten rid of a lot of the predators in the US that would normally keep animal populations in control. So it's really just a fix to a problem we created to begin with. Not that I'm against hunting.

sportchampps;1568492 wrote:When a person is a negative asset to the world should we have auctions to allow others to kill them.

It's an animal.... And wouldn't be a bad idea.

The lefty freaks threatening this guy are nuts. Oh no and old ass non breeding rhino is going to be killed. Who cares. It's like the freaks who think hunting a certain type of deer in Texas (who are keeping this certain species from going EXTINCT) is wrong. They get paid tons of money to kill a small number of a heard, that would be non-existent if it weren't for them. I like animals and all, but let's not forget they are basically here to eat.

iclfan2;1568548 wrote:It's an animal....

well, you're an animal too

I Wear Pants;1568508 wrote:I'm assuming you're excluding ocean fishing from your "can help save" bit because we have and are overfishing the hell out of the ocean.

I'm not up to speed on ocean or deep sea fishing. I cannot say one way or the other there. I do agree there are issues with what is being harvested out of the ocean.

But, State Fishing and Game departments are huge with wildlife conservation. Those same departments are also the ones who issue the state hunting and fishing licenses. Without those departments and all they do, there would be major issues with how animal population and their survival would impact the rest of the country.

Fly4Fun;1568523 wrote:Hunting is needed for population control because we've gotten rid of a lot of the predators in the US that would normally keep animal populations in control. So it's really just a fix to a problem we created to begin with. Not that I'm against hunting.

How did we actually create it? What predators did we rid the country of that would make a big impact?

I am actually curious to hear this one. Outside of bears, coyotes, bobcats, wolverines, and the like, what predators were native to America? One I could think of is the wolf. I guess I could do the research, but don't feel like it. I don't know what types of predators we have that ensure deer population is down. What will ensure pheasant, rabbit, groundhog, raccoon, opossum, prairie dog, goose, duck, and others are healthy and thriving in their existence? There was no regulation on buffalo, and not many predators would've ensured their population was manageable -- but, our ancestors sure did ruin a beautiful animal's future.

OSH;1568552 wrote:I'm not up to speed on ocean or deep sea fishing. I cannot say one way or the other there. I do agree there are issues with what is being harvested out of the ocean.

But, State Fishing and Game departments are huge with wildlife conservation. Those same departments are also the ones who issue the state hunting and fishing licenses. Without those departments and all they do, there would be major issues with how animal population and their survival would impact the rest of the country.



How did we actually create it? What predators did we rid the country of that would make a big impact?

I am actually curious to hear this one.Outside of bears, coyotes, bobcats, wolverines, and the like,what predators were native to America? One I could think of is the wolf. I guess I could do the research, but don't feel like it. I don't know what types of predators we have that ensure deer population is down. What will ensure pheasant, rabbit, groundhog, raccoon, opossum, prairie dog, goose, duck, and others are healthy and thriving in their existence? There was no regulation on buffalo, and not many predators would've ensured their population was manageable -- but, our ancestors sure did ruin a beautiful animal's future.

Mountain Lions, Wolves, and Coyotes are pretty much the biggest predators for deer. We've killed a bunch of those animals.

Not that I'm against deer hunting, fuckers are everywhere. But it's not as if issuing licenses is the only way to go about it or the best way in terms of long run preservation. Should do the licenses but also try to get populations of deer predators back to a level where deer aren't like cockroaches.

sportchampps;1568492 wrote:When a person is a negative asset to the world should we have auctions to allow others to kill them.

Depends on the crime. When you have the true lowlifes who rape and/or kill children or murder mass amounts of people, why not? They're just going to sit in jail for life or possibly go to death row anyways.

iclfan2;1568548 wrote:It's an animal.....

Pretty much the same thing ccrunner said when he ran over his daughters cat.

said_aouita;1568650 wrote:Pretty much the same thing ccrunner said when he ran over his daughters cat.

You can't run over a rhino it runs over you.

Mohican00;1568346 wrote:I'm going to need a little more evidence than the Namibian government telling me what is ecologically responsible

The fact is Namibia is a sovereign nation with control over its natural resources. I know little of the integrity of the Namibian government. If there is economic value in conserving their wildlife resources (there is) then they will do so. If that means they allow some rich foreigner to get his big bad picture of himself kneeling with his gun next to his "killer" rhino which is nothing more than an old creature the state has deemed its breeding value zero. Sounds like an innovative way to generate cash. For $350,000 that seems like a good deal. Likely more if there were not nutbags threatening death to the rhino killer and his family.

The states of Africa are not united under one governmental authority like most of the states of North America and to a lesser extent Europe. In other words most of that continents natural resources are not distributed for the good of all that inhabit it. An African state rich in mineral resources is not compelled to subsidize another state's ecosystem. I read that poaching was at record levels for white rhinos in South Africa. Poaching is done solely because of the market value of the horns. Kill that or the poachers.