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May 12, 2014 9:23 AM
Ted, answer my question above.
This season follows book 4, correct? So there are at least 2 more seasons after this?
May 12, 2014 9:23am
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May 12, 2014 9:26 AM
ernest_t_bass;1615275 wrote:This season follows book 4, correct? So there are at least 2 more seasons after this?
The books don't really happen in sequential order after a certain point, so they are mixing in some of several books, as well as some stuff that GRRM has advised the writers on that he himself hasn't written yet.
May 12, 2014 9:26am
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May 12, 2014 9:28 AM
ernest_t_bass;1615275 wrote:This season follows book 4, correct? So there are at least 2 more seasons after this?
A Storm of Swords (3rd book) has covered season 3 and 4 on the show.
May 12, 2014 9:28am
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May 12, 2014 9:32 AM
TedSheckler;1615279 wrote:Go fuck yourself. It's not a spoiler. I didn't post what happens.

Published Jan. 12th.

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That's like saying you saw it in the "stay tuned for scenes from our next episode" and thus isn't a spoiler.

Maybe some of us didn't watch the fucking trailer and don't want the answer to questions that involve the next episode?
May 12, 2014 9:32am
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May 12, 2014 9:41 AM
TedSheckler;1615284 wrote:A Storm of Swords (3rd book) has covered season 3 and 4 on the show.
Holy shit. So this could be drug out another 3+ seasons? Damn.
May 12, 2014 9:41am
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May 12, 2014 9:41 AM
SportsAndLady;1615287 wrote:That's like saying you saw it in the "stay tuned for scenes from our next episode" and thus isn't a spoiler.

Maybe some of us didn't watch the fucking trailer and don't want the answer to questions that involve the next episode?
Good lord, chill the fuck out. You sound like a fucking baby.
May 12, 2014 9:41am
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May 12, 2014 9:43 AM
SportsAndLady;1615287 wrote:Maybe some of us didn't watch the fucking trailer and don't want the answer to questions that involve the next episode?
Boo hoo!
May 12, 2014 9:43am
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May 12, 2014 9:46 AM
ernest_t_bass;1615293 wrote:Good lord, chill the fuck out. You sound like a fucking baby.
Coming from you thats hilarious
May 12, 2014 9:46am
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May 12, 2014 9:49 AM
SportsAndLady;1615297 wrote:Coming from you thats hilarious
Right on, bro.
May 12, 2014 9:49am
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May 12, 2014 9:52 AM
ernest_t_bass;1615292 wrote:Holy shit. So this could be drug out another 3+ seasons? Damn.
I think they'll end it after two more which is contractually agreed with HBO. With so many child actors it is going to be difficult to keep them since they are growing older quickly, and already some people seem to be complaining about the filler scenes so I think they are going to have to fast-track the plot or people will get GoT fatigue.
May 12, 2014 9:52am
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May 12, 2014 9:55 AM
TedSheckler;1615284 wrote:A Storm of Swords (3rd book) has covered season 3 and 4 on the show.
And some stuff, such as pretty much anything involving the Ramsey-Theon times of fun, is from the fifth book. As during the third book, all Theon warranted was a throwaway line by Roose (while still at least pretending to be a Stark-ite) mentioning that they'd captured him and were bringing him to justice, along with offering Catelyn (I think) a finger or something as proof of that. But it wasn't until the fifth book that you actually got to read about what was going down with all the torturing and Ramsey's love of re-enacting The Most Dangerous Game.

But yeah, for the most part, things are late in the third book at the moment.

As far as timeline goes, though, the fourth and fifth books are about the same. I think they originally were going to be one book, but it got far too long, so Martin made two volumes out of it, with some characters focused on in IV and other focused on in V. So when it comes time to move there, I'd guess events on the show will go back and forth between those two in whatever way the writers feel will keep the show action-packed and entertaining.
May 12, 2014 9:55am
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May 12, 2014 10:06 AM
"I'd guess events on the show will go back and forth between those two in whatever way the writers feel will keep the show action-packed and entertaining."

Correct, 20 episodes more should do it, and I wouldn't be surprised if D&D deviate heavily, for budget and for flow purposes.

It should also be noted that the first season temporally is over a year (think about Tyrion's journey to the wall, the vale and fighting in the Riverlands, and Dany's trip to the red waste and back), yet the 3rd and 4th seasons take place in just a couple of months in the GoT world.
May 12, 2014 10:06am
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May 12, 2014 6:03 PM
Just watched the new episode, as mentioned above Peter Dinklage made the moment in an otherwise "ok" episode. The Yara/Theon arc didn't really go anywhere, she showed up and left in an overlong bit involving the boring IronBorn. The Davos scene was nice and it was good to see Drogon again.
May 12, 2014 6:03pm
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May 12, 2014 6:08 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1615515 wrote: The Yara/Theon arc didn't really go anywhere, she showed up and left in an overlong bit involving the boring IronBorn.
I disagree. IMO, it set up the Boltons to use Reek/Theon as a pawn against the Greyjoys.
May 12, 2014 6:08pm
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May 12, 2014 6:14 PM
lhslep134;1615516 wrote:I disagree. IMO, it set up the Boltons to use Reek/Theon as a pawn against the Greyjoys.
Is that worth several minutes of time in an arc that likely goes nowhere? IIRC this was Yara's first scene this season, and it took half of it to even get to this point. The Iron Born are simply one-dimensional and aren't a threat to anyone. D&D needs to concentrate on what matters: 1) Get Dany to Westeros, 2) develop the whitewalkers and the battle at the Wall [and whether that includes Bran] and 3) more political intrigue in King's Landing. The show is getting to the point that it has too many arcs and not enough time to do them all justice.
May 12, 2014 6:14pm
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May 12, 2014 7:50 PM
Hmmmm...obviously one of my favorite shows of all-time, but agree it might really start to drag and have run its course if it goes more than 6 seasons (total). Although there seems to be ample material, but fair point on the waste of time with Yara/Theon (to this point, it seem to serve mainly to add shock value and replace Joffrey as the guy to hate).

Thought Yara's speech was awesome. I suppose I should watch again, but I think Tyrion's speech fell short of its potential...the vitriol seemed too forced (which was probably the point) and he's had far more witty and biting insults.
May 12, 2014 7:50pm
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May 12, 2014 7:51 PM
I mentioned Dany's power starting to go to her head....saw some writer point out her rather LONG and over-the-top introduction...maybe add to the title "nanny of 3 bastard, unruly teenage dragons"
May 12, 2014 7:51pm
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May 12, 2014 8:19 PM
But the one thing about Dany is that she's the only character in the show who can't be killed (at least in the short term) - or else the whole story in Essos is a red herring because there isn't anyone else present there important enough to make the story work. Ned Stark's shocking death in season 1 was allowable because ultimately he wasn't that important. There were plenty of other Starks to take over in the event of this death. The problem with the Essos scenes is that there isn't any real drama, D&D can't kill off the mother of dragons, and the only person worth caring about across the Narrow Sea. That's why the show runners and writers need to get her to Westeros where she could actually face real danger, and forget the books at this point.
May 12, 2014 8:19pm
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May 12, 2014 8:43 PM
I don't think Dany in Essos is all that wasted. She provides a good contrast/foil to the other rulers. And it's also an interesting exploration in how power corrupts, sometimes out of ego and sometimes out of necessity (you can't afford to pay everyone triple damages for being wronged).

All important character development. I see her on a path where she ends up like Tywin - she's just as obsessed with family legacy and the throne, and seems like we've learned the calculating ruthlessness follows (if you hope to survive). She's already demonstrated she's capable of cruelty and it's just a matter of time before "justice" becomes very blurred.
May 12, 2014 8:43pm
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May 12, 2014 8:55 PM
gut;1615551 wrote:I don't think Dany in Essos is all that wasted. She provides a good contrast/foil to the other rulers. And it's also an interesting exploration in how power corrupts, sometimes out of ego and sometimes out of necessity (you can't afford to pay everyone triple damages for being wronged).

All important character development. I see her on a path where she ends up like Tywin - she's just as obsessed with family legacy and the throne, and seems like we've learned the calculating ruthlessness follows (if you hope to survive). She's already demonstrated she's capable of cruelty and it's just a matter of time before "justice" becomes very blurred.
You can already tell she's a bit power hungry with that long ass name introduction and her annoyance of how many people were waiting to talk to her.
May 12, 2014 8:55pm
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May 12, 2014 9:05 PM
SportsAndLady;1615552 wrote:You can already tell she's a bit power hungry with that long ass name introduction and her annoyance of how many people were waiting to talk to her.
This
May 12, 2014 9:05pm
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May 12, 2014 9:23 PM
SportsAndLady;1615552 wrote:You can already tell she's a bit power hungry with that long ass name introduction and her annoyance of how many people were waiting to talk to her.
Well, anyone who calls herself the mother of dragons as the result of a failed suicide attempt isn't what I would consider to be mentally stable.

And, heh, if you want to get thru 212 visitors faster, then maybe cut down the 2 minute long self-introduction.
May 12, 2014 9:23pm
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May 12, 2014 10:24 PM
gut;1615560 wrote:Well, anyone who calls herself the mother of dragons as the result of a failed suicide attempt isn't what I would consider to be mentally stable.

And, heh, if you want to get thru 212 visitors faster, then maybe cut down the 2 minute long self-introduction.
She wasn't trying to die. The magi (witch) told her that the magic that was needed to bring something back to life required great sacrifice. She already knew she couldn't be burned because of her heritage ( for example- her entering the really hot bath and not feeling it). So she burned her still alive(but in a catatonic state) husband and the magi(also a punishment for her) as an offering to bring the dragon eggs alive. Not sure if it was in the books or the show but she knew the eggs responded to heat. She walked into the fire as a show of power and to gain supporters among the few darthraki who remained. She wasn't going to kill herself.
May 12, 2014 10:24pm
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May 13, 2014 12:52 AM
Zen;1615577 wrote:She wasn't trying to die. The magi (witch) told her that the magic that was needed to bring something back to life required great sacrifice.
In the tv show, I thought the magi killed Drago (or whatever his name was)...so at best that would make her coerced into suicide. I also thought she was heartbroken and depressed - sure looked like suicide to me. But that was a long time, and sometimes they depart from the books and other times maybe don't portray quite as well as they intended.

I also don't remember the eggs responding to heat, but I do remember Sir Jorah (or whatever) telling her they were fossils or something like that (not that he would really know). Either way, I appreciate the background. Hard to keep track of all that goes on in an episode.
May 13, 2014 12:52am
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May 13, 2014 9:54 AM
it's really not difficult considering the title of Episode is literally "The Mountain and The Viper"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3060782/
May 13, 2014 9:54am